The Honesty of Transgender Identity

[Archie Moses]

OK, so why is "gender was a social construct and different from biological sex" relevant to the notion that heterosexuals date women?

Your response comes in the context of expecting me to sit through and respond to a 3-hour video between a host who has made up their mind on gender before the conversation and a psychiatrist chosen specifically to reinforce the opinion of the host, where you have declined to put forth a section of video that addressed some issue in some interesting way. So, it's hard to believe you are being genuine here.

Because I feel heterosexuals want to date someone of the opposite sex.

I never had an expectation for you to sit through the whole video. I posted it because I enjoy listening to Joe Rogan's podcast and it was relevant to the topic at hand and interesting to me. Rogan certainly isn't an expert of many things, but he's capable of engaging in great discussions and is eager to learn new things.

You can question whether I'm being genuine or not. I've already learned more about myself and why I've felt a certain way about a particular subject in this thread. I understand myself more and understand different perspectives as well because of this thread - props to JimLes.

Do you have an alternate word you think is more appropriate?

Biologically straight? Not your cup of tea? Not what you're interested in. I don't think it's appropriate to label it discrimination.

 

[MVP]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_gender

 

[gandalfe]

@gandalfe have you read Ancillary Justice? It's a wonderful sci-fi novel that takes place in a gender-less society.

Looks like it's a series? Interesting. I'll add it to the list.

 

[LogGrad98]

So since gender is a social construct, does it serve any purpose within society? Lots of the discussion here seems to be saying that since it is a social construct it is inherently meaningless, useless, and offensive all at once. Is that how people view the concept?




[cue the "the only purpose is the subjugation of specific genders" responses.....]

 

[LogGrad98]

In English, "it" is traditionally used for non-humans or not-yet-humans. In fact, it is occasionally used to de-humanize. When we are happy with a dog we use she/he, when unhappy with the dog, it.



"They" can be, and traditionally has been, used in the singular.

So the meaning or use of a word cannot change? Tell that to my grandparents who were quite gay once upon time in the 20's, and life was good before the depression, when the queer happenings of the day caused much strife.

 

[One Brow]

Because I feel heterosexuals want to date someone of the opposite sex.

Dating is a cultural activity.

I never had an expectation for you to sit through the whole video. I posted it because I enjoy listening to Joe Rogan's podcast and it was relevant to the topic at hand and interesting to me. Rogan certainly isn't an expert of many things, but he's capable of engaging in great discussions and is eager to learn new things.

Yet, he chose one of the very few psychologists who would reinforce his notions on gender, rather than challenge them. That argues against his being willing to learn new things.

Biologically straight? Not your cup of tea? Not what you're interested in. I don't think it's appropriate to label it discrimination.

Any time you make a decision according to preference, it is discrimination. Choosing caramel over butterscotch is discriminatory. The question is what the discrimination is based upon, and how legitimate it is.

 

[One Brow]

Did you have a point here? Am I supposed ot take Jordan "Lobster" Peterson seriously? Why do you think she has anything worthy to say?

 

[One Brow]

So the meaning or use of a word cannot change? Tell that to my grandparents who were quite gay once upon time in the 20's, and life was good before the depression, when the queer happenings of the day caused much strife.

Sure,meanings can change. However, why try to force an unneeded change? It's difficult enough getting changes that matter.

 

[One Brow]

So since gender is a social construct, does it serve any purpose within society? Lots of the discussion here seems to be saying that since it is a social construct it is inherently meaningless, useless, and offensive all at once. Is that how people view the concept?

[cue the "the only purpose is the subjugation of specific genders" responses.....]

They seem to be tied into sexuality, at the very least. I don't know if that is necessary or not.

 

[8]

So since gender is a social construct, does it serve any purpose within society? Lots of the discussion here seems to be saying that since it is a social construct it is inherently meaningless, useless, and offensive all at once. Is that how people view the concept?




[cue the "the only purpose is the subjugation of specific genders" responses.....]

Since it is a social construct it dictates society. The more it is allowed to dictate society is increasingly bad because it creates more customs, rules, boundaries that go against someone’s nature.
I can’t call it useless because as a straight, white male I get lots of use out of all these favorable social constructs, but I think it can only be used in malevolent ways (often unconscious/ignorant malevolence).

 

[MVP]

Did you have a point here? Am I supposed ot take Jordan "Lobster" Peterson seriously? Why do you think she has anything worthy to say?

Why would you not take professor of psychology seriously? I like his thinking about this issue. And it must hurt his opponents that despite trying hard to silence him he keeps teaching in university and has millions of followers on Youtube. Man speaks the truth, nobody can force you to use the pronouns you are not comfortable in using.

"I will never use words I hate, like the trendy and artificially constructed words "zhe" and "zher." These words are at the vanguard of a post-modern, radical leftist ideology that I detest, and which is, in my professional opinion, frighteningly similar to the Marxist doctrines that killed at least 100 million people in the 20th century.
I have been studying authoritarianism on the right and the left for 35 years. I wrote a book, Maps of Meaning: The Architecture of Belief, on the topic, which explores how ideologies hijack language and belief. As a result of my studies, I have come to believe that Marxism is a murderous ideology. I believe its practitioners in modern universities should be ashamed of themselves for continuing to promote such vicious, untenable and anti-human ideas, and for indoctrinating their students with these beliefs. I am therefore not going to mouth Marxist words. That would make me a puppet of the radical left, and that is not going to happen. Period."

 

[Gameface]

Dating is a cultural activity.



Yet, he chose one of the very few psychologists who would reinforce his notions on gender, rather than challenge them. That argues against his being willing to learn new things.



Any time you make a decision according to preference, it is discrimination. Choosing caramel over butterscotch is discriminatory. The question is what the discrimination is based upon, and how legitimate it is.

As far as dating is concerned, I don't think it is anyone's place to judge any of the criteria one uses to determine who they will or will not date. We all employ hundreds of criteria, both conscious and subconscious, and we are absolutely free to determine based on whatever we want who we will or will not be in a romantic relationship with. None of us have any obligation to be in a romantic relationship with anyone, and we certainly don't have an obligation to select people based on any concept of fairness.