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The Move Forward Plan - NO TANK DISCUSSION IN THIS THREAD

You turning into a parody account?
Not at all lol. If Ben is good well you got someone cheap. If he sucks you have space to do some damage in the next FA... all while taking an extended look at the guys you picked the last two years.
 
Ben Simmons is the play. You can sell it as "big game" and if it doesn't work you have max cap space and likely a top 6-7 pick. Not sure what Brooklyn's plan is but if Donny signs and extension they are likely on to plan b, c, d. I think Ben is basically done, but if he did get it together it would be in a contract year.

With Atlanta and NO they both want win-now players instead of picks (they can swap picks for win-now I know) not sure we are a great trade partner. I could see Brooklyn being in on Trae as well... and maybe not interested in the JCx2 package.
Ben Simmons and Lonzo Ball... we might even get a pick or two to take on them... shots at reclamation projects with low risk(expiring contracts). And if they actually get healthy and recover, they both have some of the things this roster is lacking the most - playmaking and unselfishness, defensive length and versatility.
 
Ben Simmons and Lonzo Ball... we might even get a pick or two to take on them... shots at reclamation projects with low risk(expiring contracts).
That is really not the purpose of this thread. It’s just a way for pro-tank guys to throw out trades that are faux buys.
 
Ben Simmons and Lonzo Ball... we might even get a pick or two to take on them... shots at reclamation projects with low risk(expiring contracts). And if they actually get healthy and recover, they both have some of the things this roster is lacking the most - playmaking and unselfishness, defensive length and versatility.
I think Lonzo is a much bigger longshot but I actually like him as a player if he is healthy. Ben I would be worried he keeps it together and plays well and then you have a scary next contract to consider. Physically I think Ben is a better bet but mentally not so much.
 
Eh...idk about that. Ben/Lonzo can be part of a move forward strategy as low risk buys.
Also having a bunch of space helps us going forward.
 
That is really not the purpose of this thread. It’s just a way for pro-tank guys to throw out trades that are faux buys.
If we just ignore the tank thing for a moment. If those reclamation projects actually succeed, both of them have some of the things this team is missing the most - playmaking, unselfishness, defense. So... even if it's not those specific players(if you don't like that tanking connotations of such trades), we probably need players like them...

I guess... Dejounte probably fits the best here from the players that actually have any value and you can actually rely on to make your team better, rather than just ... taking a shot on uncertainty.
 
I think Lonzo is a much bigger longshot but I actually like him as a player if he is healthy. Ben I would be worried he keeps it together and plays well and then you have a scary next contract to consider. Physically I think Ben is a better bet but mentally not so much.
It's not that hard to decide on Ben. It's a big fat no. I dont really care how well he plays this upcoming year. He has massive red flags even when 100% healthy and he makes roster building incredibly incredibly difficult.
 
I'm always team Lonzo and I've previously supported the idea of Ben Simmons reclamation. Less enthused about Simmons but I would grab both if we could.
 
Also having a bunch of space helps us going forward.

Right....it is kind of those situations where I think to myself, "what are we afraid of". It's not as if we are pinning the fate of the franchise on them. It's a low investment of....removing unwanted long term salary? IMO the counterargument would be that John Collins is simply a better player than Ben and will be going forward.
 
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