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Darkwing Duck said:
Yeah. They ARE the cops.
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Good ol OP. And ya we have had some issues. Deron Williams and robert whaley come to mind. Karl Malone has dinosaur sized skeletons. I think Deshawn Stevenson had some issues. To name a few. Still seems like the jazz typically have less knuckleheads than most teams do.
 
HermanG said:
Good move or bad move by the Fakers?

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Christian Wood agrees to two-year deal with Lakers

Adrian Wojnarowski: Free agent F/C Christian Wood has agreed on a two-year deal with the Los Angeles Lakers, sources tell ESPN. Deal includes a player option.Source: Twitter @wojespn What’s t…
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Bad move, but an acceptable bad move because they can cut bait on it easily. He's made every team he's played for worse when he is on the court and he's a supposed negative in the lockerroom.
 
HermanG said:
Good move or bad move by the Fakers?

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Christian Wood agrees to two-year deal with Lakers

Adrian Wojnarowski: Free agent F/C Christian Wood has agreed on a two-year deal with the Los Angeles Lakers, sources tell ESPN. Deal includes a player option.Source: Twitter @wojespn What’s t…
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29 other teams should have signed him if for no other reason than blocking the Lakers.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Bad move, but an acceptable bad move because they can cut bait on it easily. He's made every team he's played for worse when he is on the court and he's a supposed negative in the lockerroom.
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BTW this is not correct. He has had really positive on/off splits in Detroit and Houston the first year. Second year in Houston was slightly negative and last year was slightly negative for Dallas (the first "good" team he has played on). Kidd hated him from the get go (maybe with cause). He's a bad defender but a talented offensive player. At the minimum this deal has upside and almost no downside. Lakers aren't even a tax team so the financial penalties are minuscule.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
BTW this is not correct. He has had really positive on/off splits in Detroit and Houston the first year. Second year in Houston was slightly negative and last year was slightly negative for Dallas (the first "good" team he has played on). Kidd hated him from the get go (maybe with cause). He's a bad defender but a talented offensive player. At the minimum this deal has upside and almost no downside. Lakers aren't even a tax team so the financial penalties are minuscule.
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Ahh yes, there is no downside, the entire NBA just didnt want to sign him for no reason.

I get that sometime NBA teams can be wrong, but Im going to believe there is something truly toxic/negative there until proven otherwise.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Ahh yes, there is no downside, the entire NBA just didnt want to sign him for no reason.

I get that sometime NBA teams can be wrong, but Im going to believe there is something truly toxic/negative there until proven otherwise.
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There is almost no downside for the Lakers. He likely had his choice of a few destinations at the minimum as he got a player option on Year 2... so he took his time and chose the best situation for himself. He has a relationship with Ham who seems like a guy that could get a talented guy to buy in.

LOL ain't like the guy got a non-guaranteed one year deal. He took his time when he realized there was nothing above minimum deals available. He likely has some toxic traits... doesn't mean he can't come in and be a one year boost for a contender.
 
Wood is 31st in the league in scoring per 36 at 23 pts per 36... right between Pascal Siakam and Jordan Clarkson. He was 32nd in the league in TS% last season. Getting a high volume scorer who is insanely efficient at the minimum is a good get... even if he is *** on defense and a douche in the locker room. Lakers (and Lebron) have had success with talented guys who are assholes... notably Schroeder and Howard. If the locker room stuff gets untenable then you cut him... easy peasy.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Wood is 31st in the league in scoring per 36 at 23 pts per 36... right between Pascal Siakam and Jordan Clarkson. He was 32nd in the league in TS% last season. Getting a high volume scorer who is insanely efficient at the minimum is a good get... even if he is *** on defense and a douche in the locker room. Lakers (and Lebron) have had success with talented guys who are assholes... notably Schroeder and Howard. If the locker room stuff gets untenable then you cut him... easy peasy.
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The opinion of people who just stat watch and actually watch him play are drastically different.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
The opinion of people who just stat watch and actually watch him play are drastically different.
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lol... when you got no leg to stand on go ahead and jump to the "eye test" or "you don't know ball".

I have watched him. He is much better than a minimum player. Both the eye test and stats will tell that story pretty obviously. No downside and good upside. Anyone saying its a bad signing is just blind hating.
 
What was interesting about Woods Dallas stint was that he almost exclusively played center there. He subbed for Dwight Powell more than anyone and only shared 175 total minutes on the court with either Powell or McGee (so 10% out of his 1738 total minutes).

Yet he somehow managed to have only +0.2 offensive rating impact compared to his subs (per CTG on/off), who were almost exclusively Powell and McGee. On the other side of the ball, he was 2.8 points worse defensively than his subs which is not surprising. That on/off impact cost Dallas 6 wins according to CTG estimate models.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Hilarious that some dudes will cape for Zach Lavine on a huge contract and a big acquisition cost and then **** on a guy like Wood at the minimum with no acquisition cost.
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Hilarious to like a player who is good and dislike a player who isn't. So funny.

Oh you like the player any team would give 30 million to more than the guy teams won't even give the MLE? How silly.
 
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HermanG said:
What was interesting about Woods Dallas stint was that he almost exclusively played center there. He subbed for Dwight Powell more than anyone and only shared 175 total minutes on the court with either Powell or McGee (so 10% out of his 1738 total minutes).

Yet he somehow managed to have only +0.2 offensive rating impact compared to his subs (per CTG on/off), who were almost exclusively Powell and McGee. On the other side of the ball, he was 2.8 points worse defensively than his subs which is not surprising. That on/off impact cost Dallas 6 wins according to CTG estimate models.
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With teams that have so much of their offensive identity tied into one player the on/off stuff gets wonky… Luka/Jokic/Giannis/Lebron etc. Powell has a uniquely good chemistry with Luka… the on/off stuff with Wood makes sense to me given the context. Despite what some posters have said Wood doesn’t make every team he has played on worse… his net career on/off diff is +2. The impact isn’t as much as you’d like given the volume… but there are many players that have similar fact patterns. Doesn’t mean they suck.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
With teams that have so much of their offensive identity tied into one player the on/off stuff gets wonky… Luka/Jokic/Giannis/Lebron etc. Powell has a uniquely good chemistry with Luka… the on/off stuff with Wood makes sense to me given the context. Despite what some posters have said Wood doesn’t make every team he has played on worse… his net career on/off diff is +2. The impact isn’t as much as you’d like given the volume… but there are many players that have similar fact patterns. Doesn’t mean they suck.
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I wasnt implicating he sucks. Ive watched him play and he is definitely way better offensively than Powell. Way way more than the 0.2 point margin. And Wood did infact share the court with Luka for over 50% of his minutes. So wasnt like he was left on an island offensively.

That was maybe more of an indictment to Kidd for how he utilized him and what kind of things they did schemewise. I mean how do you neuter Woods offensive impact to match that of Powell? Did you just sub out all your capable shooters when he came on?

I'm not too bother by it though, so wont dig any deeper.
 
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