The Non-Jazz NBA Thread in the Jazz Section

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Play in is fun but it also gives an even bigger advantage to the top seeded teams that I don't really think is necessary. A 1/8 upset was already rare enough

 

[underdog]

Agreed. I like the play in a lot. I have actually been more interested in the play in than I am in the playoffs. The lack of a true series makes the games like they are all game 7's or close to it.

That game between the Heat and the 76ers was a dogfight from start to finish.

 

[HermanG]

Play in is fun but it also gives an even bigger advantage to the top seeded teams that I don't really think is necessary. A 1/8 upset was already rare enough

Yeah you cannot say definitively that its an advantage, since we saw both 1/8 and 2/7 upsets last year which was just the 3rd year of play-in.

Last time either one happened before that was 2012.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Yeah you cannot say definitively that its an advantage, since we saw both 1/8 and 2/7 upsets last year which was just the 3rd year of play-in.

Last time either one happened before that was 2012.

How can you not? The 8 seed has to play two extra games while the top seed rest. It's clearly an advantage.

 

[fishonjazz]

How can you not? The 8 seed has to play two extra games while the top seed rest. It's clearly an advantage.

There are multiple ways to look at it though.

8 seed is rolling and has momentum. 1 seed has rust.

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[Saint Cy of JFC]

There are multiple ways to look at it though.

8 seed is rolling and has momentum. 1 seed has rust.

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You know how to look at it? No one would choose to play the extra games and would take the rest. So it's an advantage.

 

[fishonjazz]

Also I don't think the goal of the play in tournament was/is to have 8th seeds upset 1 seeds more often. I don't think that's what the NBA or most fans want.
I don't really like huge upsets in the playoffs. I want the 2 best teams in the finals.

Either way, play in tournament or no play in tournament, 8 seeds aren't going to beat 1 seeds very often so it's a pointless discussion.

The main thing is that the play in tournament is fun.

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[fishonjazz]

You know how to look at it? No one would choose to play the extra games and would take the rest. So it's an advantage.

I agree with you. Just saying that there is another way to look at it that has some validity.

Like I would rather be rich than poor without a doubt. But sometimes mo money mo problems and poor people are sometimes happier than rich people.

Sometimes momentum and confidence can be better than rest. Not usually but sometimes. No one would pick momentum and confidence over rest but sometimes, with hindsight, we find that the team that had the momentum and confidence seemed to play better than the team that rested

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[Saint Cy of JFC]

I agree with you. Just saying that there is another way to look at it that has some validity.

Like I would rather be rich than poor without a doubt. But sometimes mo money mo problems and poor people are sometimes happier than rich people.

Sometimes momentum and confidence can be better than rest. Not usually but sometimes

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Those poor people would be happier if they had money.

 

[fishonjazz]

Those poor people would be happier if they had money.

You would think. I would think. But sometimes a poor person wins the lottery and their happiness declines. Like that literally happens. It's not a theory.

And teams that are rested sometimes do play worse than they normally do and teams that have momentum and confidence don't get hurt by the lack of rest. Again, this isn't a theory. It's actually happened before. Doesn't happen the majority of the time, but sometimes it does happen.

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[Saint Cy of JFC]

You would think. I would think. But sometimes a poor person wins the lottery and their happiness declines. Like that literally happens. It's not a theory.

And teams that are rested sometimes do play worse than they normally do and teams that have momentum and confidence don't get hurt by the lack of rest. Again, this isn't a theory. It's actually happened before. Doesn't happen the majority of the time, but sometimes it does happen.

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You're probably citing some study that has questionable methodology.

Rest is always better. A team can play bad, but it isn't because they are too rested or rusty.

 

[fishonjazz]

You're probably citing some study that has questionable methodology.

Rest is always better. A team can play bad, but it isn't because they are too rested or rusty.

Players and coaches talk about confidence, momentum, and rust quite regularly. They seem to believe that these are real things that have real effects. As someone who played a lot of competitive basketball I have seen/felt these things myself and know they are real. Rest is also real and has a real affect that imo trumps confidence and momentum most of the time. But not all of the time. Also, these games aren't back to back to back. So there is an opportunity for these play in teams to come into the playoffs having momentum, confidence, no rust, AND be rested and healthy. Again, that wouldn't be the norm but simply something that happens occasionally and could be beneficial.

Again this convo is kind of irrelevant because by far the biggest advantage is simply being the much better team (which 1 seeds almost always are) and 8 seeds are quite unlikely to beat 1 seeds regardless of a play in tourney. The play in tourney is doing what it was intended to do. Be fun and entertaining. That is what matters.