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I think completely villainizing someone over something they may or may not have done in high school based on a single picture is ridiculous in the extreme, especially given the time elapsed. What have you done for me lately is what matters. None of us are the same people now we were in high school. I sure as hell have things I don't want to see dragged out into public display, because I was a stupid kid, as were most of us at one point or another, and many still are, no matter their age, and I did dumb and embarrassing things back then. Hell, I do dumb things all the time. We have entered a bizarro world where the slightest hint of imperfection, from decades ago, are enough to draw the ire of the cancel crowd and have your current reputation dragged through the mud over **** like that no matter how long ago it was. It is so stupid and juvenile. Was he racist then? Does this picture prove it? Is he racist now? Do his actions and words now support the allegation of racism or not.? And no, I am not talking about the inevitable apology theater, hand-crafted statements from his PR team. I mean what he does and how he acts in daily life. That is what matters. Not what mistakes we made in the past, but did we learn from them and are we better now for it. This mob mentality around this **** just has to stop. Different times had different norms and lead inevitably to....today, and hopefully to us all learning and growing and becoming better people from those experiences. We can't go back and change it. Today is what matters, not 60 years ago. Barring straight up illegal and horrible ****, like murder or rape or messing with kids or whatever, the things we said and did 30, 40, 50, and 60 years ago should not matter RIGHT NOW.

Hell my white Mormon friends and I rode around in my car singing out loud to 2 Live Crew, because that was the most rebellious we would really get. Sometimes with a few black kids from school or from the basketball team as well. Look out, I am swearing dad! So I said the N-word out loud, sang it out loud, in my car, along with 2 Live Crew and that group of friends. So should I now be canceled despite the fact that I have grown and become a completely different person since then who feels ridiculous and stupid thinking about it now, and do my very best to not just mitigate but correct racism and bigotry wherever I can? Or does nothing matter except the fact that I sang that word out loud in my car when I was 16 and stupid,? Do I need to start cataloging everything stupid I ever did, admit to it, then issue apologies since inevitably someone somewhere will be traumatized when they hear I said or did something offensive 40 years ago? How stupid.

Good hell this **** really needs to stop.







Along these same lines, does anyone want to guess what the #1 insulting thing you could call another boy, from one boy to another, was in the 80's? What was the 1 thing at least 90% of young boys at that time called each other, that we felt sounded bad but not bad enough to get us in huge trouble if an adult overheard us? Any guesses?
 
I agree a bit, of course people can change and what not, but it's still important to call balls and strikes. Just because it was 1950 doesnt give you a pass for siding with the racist majority.
But what does a "pass" mean in this context? That he is allowed to live the life he is living without being judged for something stupid he did 50 years ago? So he deserves to be raked over the coals for that so he doesn't get a proverbial "pass"? That accomplishes what exactly? That kind of thinking is just so stupid.
 
I think completely villainizing someone over something they may or may not have done in high school based on a single picture is ridiculous in the extreme, especially given the time elapsed. What have you done for me lately is what matters. None of us are the same people now we were in high school. I sure as hell have things I don't want to see dragged out into public display, because I was a stupid kid, as were most of us at one point or another, and many still are, no matter their age, and I did dumb and embarrassing things back then. Hell, I do dumb things all the time. We have entered a bizarro world where the slightest hint of imperfection, from decades ago, are enough to draw the ire of the cancel crowd and have your current reputation dragged through the mud over **** like that no matter how long ago it was. It is so stupid and juvenile. Was he racist then? Does this picture prove it? Is he racist now? Do his actions and words now support the allegation of racism or not.? And no, I am not talking about the inevitable apology theater, hand-crafted statements from his PR team. I mean what he does and how he acts in daily life. That is what matters. Not what mistakes we made in the past, but did we learn from them and are we better now for it. This mob mentality around this **** just has to stop. Different times had different norms and lead inevitably to....today, and hopefully to us all learning and growing and becoming better people from those experiences. We can't go back and change it. Today is what matters, not 60 years ago. Barring straight up illegal and horrible ****, like murder or rape or messing with kids or whatever, the things we said and did 30, 40, 50, and 60 years ago should not matter RIGHT NOW.

Hell my white Mormon friends and I rode around in my car singing out loud to 2 Live Crew, because that was the most rebellious we would really get. Sometimes with a few black kids from school or from the basketball team as well. Look out, I am swearing dad! So I said the N-word out loud, sang it out loud, in my car, along with 2 Live Crew and that group of friends. So should I now be canceled despite the fact that I have grown and become a completely different person since then who feels ridiculous and stupid thinking about it now, and do my very best to not just mitigate but correct racism and bigotry wherever I can? Or does nothing matter except the fact that I sang that word out loud in my car when I was 16 and stupid,? Do I need to start cataloging everything stupid I ever did, admit to it, then issue apologies since inevitably someone somewhere will be traumatized when they hear I said or did something offensive 40 years ago? How stupid.

Good hell this **** really needs to stop.







Along these same lines, does anyone want to guess what the #1 insulting thing you could call another boy, from one boy to another, was in the 80's? What was the 1 thing at least 90% of young boys at that time called each other, that we felt sounded bad but not bad enough to get us in huge trouble if an adult overheard us? Any guesses?
A gay slur? 3 letters long? Thats my guess
 
But what does a "pass" mean in this context? That he is allowed to live the life he is living without being judged for something stupid he did 50 years ago? So he deserves to be raked over the coals for that so he doesn't get a proverbial "pass"? That accomplishes what exactly? That kind of thinking is just so stupid.
"Something stupid"
 
There is racism in todays world as well. Digging up photos from a racist era (with 2022 standards, we should probably imprison 50% of white population over the age of 80) and having these conversations dont really bridge the gap and heal the world, it just stirs up more ****, creates new wounds and feeds the hate that exists.
 
The idea that calling stuff what it is and holding people accountable for past actions is calling to cancel them is ridiculous. No one is "cancelling" a billionaire.
 
A gay slur? 3 letters long? Thats my guess
bingo


you know, as in you got it right....not that bingo is a slur. Although in today's world. who knows? Someone will find a way to be offended by it.
 
I was racist in the 60s and 70s. I was brought up that way. Didn't do a thing to offend anyone that I am aware of, but I would hate to be judged now by what I believed back then.

I don't know what is in Jerry Jones' heart, but I won't judge someone for high school racist actions, unless illegal and cruel things were done.

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I was racist in the 60s and 70s. I was brought up that way. Didn't do a thing to offend anyone that I am aware of, but I would hate to be judged now by what I believed back then.

I don't know what is in Jerry Jones' heart, but I won't judge someone for high school racist actions, unless illegal and cruel things were done.

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I consider racism to be like a candy store owner, who only sells one kind of candy ,because he/she is clueless how much variety is appealing to all of the human race.
 
Speaking of Lebron… the quote last night about “why haven’t y’all asked me about the Jerry Jones photo… y’all asked me about Kyrie but not that?!?!?”

I’m normally a Lebron apologist… can look past him passing on speaking out against China when given the chance… but this is dumb. They asked you about Kyrie cuz you are like pretty close with the guy… not cuz they trying to get your opinion on every effing thing that happens. Trying to do some weird gotcha here is cringy.

This. He was asked about Kyrie because the Kyrie incident just barely happened and because Kyrie plays the same sport as him and was his teammate for a few years. The Jerry Jones thing was wrong, but why would reporters ask him about something that happened 65 years ago and involves someone in a different sport who Lebron has no connection to at all. It's apples and oranges.
 
This. He was asked about Kyrie because the Kyrie incident just barely happened and because Kyrie plays the same sport as him and was his teammate for a few years. The Jerry Jones thing was wrong, but why would reporters ask him about something that happened 65 years ago and involves someone in a different sport who Lebron has no connection to at all. It's apples and oranges.
Yeah… it was just weird… like if we ask you about China is that something you want to talk on? It was just a weird *** way to try and guilt trip the reporters… and a weird example to use. Does he want us to ask how he feels about about Watson playing this weekend?

I would just think maybe if you wanted to talk about it pull a reporter aside and tell ‘em to ask you.
 
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