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One Brow said:
In the NBA, parity is only good to the level it increases the fanbase, making more money.


What are some features in the NFL that could transfer over to the NBA to prevent stars from demanding trades?
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That's the NBA. Not in my personal best interest, as a fan. So I'm for rules that curb it.
 
One Brow said:
In the NBA, parity is only good to the level it increases the fanbase, making more money.
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This is just false statement.

Parity in NA major sportsleagues has always been a codeword to avoid the European soccer model where there is a massive difference in payrolls within those leagues and highest bidder wins everything. As a result, only few teams per league realistically compete for the titles and the teams dont rotate.

But those teams sure as hell have boatloads of fans all around the world and their market value is sky high.

However in those leagues bottom teams act as farms and make a lot of money due to transfer fees and TV deals. The top teams just bleed money, but most of them are owned by oil billionaires or such who dont care.
 
HermanG said:
This is just false statement.

Parity in NA major sportsleagues has always been a codeword to avoid the European soccer model where there is a massive difference in payrolls within those leagues and highest bidder wins everything. As a result, only few teams per league realistically compete for the titles and the teams dont rotate.

But those teams sure as hell have boatloads of fans all around the world and their market value is sky high.

However in those leagues bottom teams act as farms and make a lot of money due to transfer fees and TV deals. The top teams just bleed money, but most of them are owned by oil billionaires or such who dont care.
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This isn't always the case, AFC Richmond had a single owner, female owned even, with a sponsorship by an obscure dating app and they remained pretty competitive last year. I'm fairly certain they were not breaking the bank on their coaching staff either. . .
 
HermanG said:
This is just false statement.

Parity in NA major sportsleagues has always been a codeword to avoid the European soccer model where there is a massive difference in payrolls within those leagues and highest bidder wins everything. As a result, only few teams per league realistically compete for the titles and the teams dont rotate.

But those teams sure as hell have boatloads of fans all around the world and their market value is sky high.

However in those leagues bottom teams act as farms and make a lot of money due to transfer fees and TV deals. The top teams just bleed money, but most of them are owned by oil billionaires or such who dont care.
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The amount of advertising power you control when you own one of those teams just has to be enormous and not entirely calculated in figures. Owners always want to act like they are losing money to avoid scrutiny.
 
Also, does the NBA truly have parity now?

Who won the ring this past season? NIkola Jokic.

A top 3 NBA player won a ring like they do nearly every season. The jersey has a different name, but the way it was won was still very similar to how it always is.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Also, does the NBA truly have parity now?

Who won the ring this past season? NIkola Jokic.

A top 3 NBA player won a ring like they do nearly every season. The jersey has a different name, but the way it was won was still very similar to how it always is.
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I dont know if you have some different interpretation of parity.

Parity in NA sports (by list of last 5 champions in each league):
NBA - Nuggets, Warriors, Bucks, Lakers, Raptors
NFL - Chiefs, Rams, Bucs, Chiefs, Patriots
NHL - Golden Knights, Avalanche, Lightning, Lightning, Blues
MLB - Astros, Braves, Dodgers, Nationals, Red Sox
MLS - LA, NY, Columbus, Seattle, Atlanta

So only 2 teams have repeated in past 5 years in NA major leagues, each of them once.

Non-parity in European soccer:
Premier League - Man City, Man City, Man City, Liverpool, Man City
La Liga - Barcelona, Real Madrid, Atletico Madrid, Real Madrid, Barcelona (last time anyone besides these 3 won was in 2003-04)
Bundesliga - Bayern, Bayern, Bayern, Bayern, Bayern
Ligue 1 - PSG, PSG, Lille, PSG, PSG
Serie A - Napoli, Milan, Inter, Juventus, Juventus

So 3 of the leagues have 1 team winning at least 4 of the 5 championships and only league that has apparent parity (Serie A) had Juventus winning 10 championships in a row before their run ended 3 years ago.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
If you read what I posted I think it's pretty obvious what was said.
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I dont think that the best players winning chips means a lack of parity occurred. I think that the best (most expensive/biggest) franchises almost always getting the best players means a lack of parity occurred.
 
HermanG said:
I dont know if you have some different interpretation of parity.

Parity in NA sports (by list of last 5 champions in each league):
NBA - Nuggets, Warriors, Bucks, Lakers, Raptors
NFL - Chiefs, Rams, Bucs, Chiefs, Patriots
NHL - Golden Knights, Avalanche, Lightning, Lightning, Blues
MLB - Astros, Braves, Dodgers, Nationals, Red Sox
MLS - LA, NY, Columbus, Seattle, Atlanta

So only 2 teams have repeated in past 5 years in NA major leagues, each of them once.

Non-parity in European soccer:
Premier League - Man City, Man City, Man City, Liverpool, Man City
La Liga - Barcelona, Real Madrid, Atletico Madrid, Real Madrid, Barcelona (last time anyone besides these 3 won was in 2003-04)
Bundesliga - Bayern, Bayern, Bayern, Bayern, Bayern
Ligue 1 - PSG, PSG, Lille, PSG, PSG
Serie A - Napoli, Milan, Inter, Juventus, Juventus

So 3 of the leagues have 1 team winning at least 4 of the 5 championships and only league that has apparent parity (Serie A) had Juventus winning 10 championships in a row before their run ended 3 years ago.
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Really good post. Parity in the US major sports is at an all time high right now. Which is good. I still contend that players forcing their way our of contracts that they signed is bad though.
 
fishonjazz said:
I dont think that the best players winning chips means a lack of parity occurred. I think that the best (most expensive/biggest) franchises almost always getting the best players means a lack of parity occurred.
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If winning a ring requires you to have a top 5 player, that isnt parity IMO.

The NBA has a lot of mid tier parity right now (so like parity to get to the 2nd/3rd round). There's a lot of pretty good teams, at least more than in the past, but the same amount of actual championship level team is the same as it always is. Ultimately (IMO) neutering the upper tier's ability to be elite just makes for worse Conference FInals/Finals matchups so more teams can have an extremely slim hope of getting into the conference finals to only get crushed by the actual elite teams.

Summary: Instead of neutering the top to feed the middle, the NBA should be looking to bring up the bottom. The regular season is largely *** due to tanking. The biggest issues the NBA faces is that a lot of their media coverage is absolute garbage (took some steps to fix that this off-season), fans dont respect the regular season (largely due to the media coverage), and tanking. You fix those 3 things and you have a much better game that fans will appreciate more.

Remove the "ring or fail" mentality and suddenly every fanbase has more to root for. Keep the top teams elite for the sake of your end-game.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
If you read what I posted I think it's pretty obvious what was said.
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I had no trouble understanding what was said, just questionned your interpretation of the term "parity".

Funny that you posted your typical snarky reply but only to the first sentence of my post and ignored the main argument.

I'm sure no one will notice.
 
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