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The official "let's impeach Trump" thread

fishonjazz said:
I think just voting non Trump solves this particular issue.
I mean Trump isn't our first president. He isn't our first republican president either. I don't remember any other presidents of the past, Democrat or republican, who had companies making these type of demands in order to get overtime pay.

To me this isn't a partisan problem. It's a trump problem. Trump needs to go. Impeach his *** and get another Republican to run next election.
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I disagree. Trump’s damage to our country will be long lasting. The allies he’s alienating, the authoritarians he’s validating, the treaties he’s shredding... the judges he’s appointing... The example he’s setting for political discourse... all will take years if not decades to repair, if they’re event repairable in the first place.

These are lifetime appointments. He’s going to be around long after a two term President Warren fixes the Trump recession.

 
The Thriller said:
I disagree. Trump’s damage to our country will be long lasting. The allies he’s alienating, the authoritarians he’s validating, the treaties he’s shredding... the judges he’s appointing... The example he’s setting for political discourse... all will take years if not decades to repair, if they’re event repairable in the first place.

These are lifetime appointments. He’s going to be around long after a two term President Warren fixes the Trump recession.

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Fair enough. You make a good case
 
Stoked said:
Yes, across the board.

Removing Trump in 2020 is an immediate goal. Voting D is the most realistic way to do that. We can do that while pushing for reform and replacement of corrupt and under performing representatives. At city, state and national levels.

Unfortunately it involves mass amounts of Americans getting off their lazy asses.
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Man don’t make me vote for Joe or Kamala :/
 
Jazzta said:
Man don’t make me vote for Joe or Kamala :/
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Why? Neither would be bad and neither would be an existential threat, like trump. If you actually recognize how awful trump is, it really doesn’t matter who the Democrats nominate insofar that they produce the best candidate to beat Trump.

I’ll never understand people who either:

A. Normalize Trump. Pretending like voting for or against him is a realistic choice for reasonable human beings. As if this is a choice between Romney or Obama. It’s not. Trump is an off the charts criminal who everyday abuses the office.

Or

B. Over Exaggerate their disdain for Democrats by acting like Democrats are “just as bad” as Trump. As if is Biden is the left’s version of Trump. None of the democrats are close to trump when it comes to extremism, lack of character, and criminality. Also, None of the hold the support of their party and media like trump does. Can anyone honestly imagine the DNC being held hostage to Warren or Harris’s tweets the way the GOP is held to Trump’s?

I never agreed with many of the policies of Bush I, McCain, or Romney. But none of them were existential threats, like Trump. All of them were reasonable alternatives to their Democratic opponents. Even Bush II. I mean Bush II pushed the bounds of executive power and the constitution, don’t get me wrong, especially regarding torture and spying. His admin put the idea of a “Unitary Executive” into power in ways that Nixon could only dream of. But he wasn’t as extreme or flagrant, as Trump.

Harris and Biden are moderates. Let’s make that clear. They aren’t liberal Trumps. Their policies are well in line with the norms of 21st century presidential politics. Acting as if they’d fundamentally change America is absurd. So let’s stop these lame comparisons.

Besides, it’s not like this is about politics. It’s about the soul of America. I’d love for problems like climate change, gun violence, and universal health care to be addressed with the next presidency. But that’s not the goal. The goal is removing the cancer from the White House immediately. If that means that the next president won’t be able to do anything in their first term? So be it.

So yes, ALL and ANY of the Democratic candidates would be far better than Trump and it isn’t even close. This election isn’t just about policy.
 
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The Thriller said:
Why? Neither would be bad and neither would be an existential threat, like trump.

I’ll never understand people either:

A. Normalizing Trump. Pretending like voting for or against him is a realistic choice for reasonable human beings. As if this is a choice between Romney or Obama. It’s not. Trump is an off the charts criminal who everyday abuses the office.

Or

B. Over Exaggerating their disdain for Democrats and acting like Trump is some reasonable alternative. None of the democrats are close to trump when it comes to extremism. None of the hold the support of their party and media like trump does. Can anyone honestly imagine the DNC being held hostage to Warren or Harris’s tweets the way the GOP is held to Trump’s?

I never agreed with many of the policies of Bush I, McCain, or Romney. But none of them were existential threats, like Trump. I mean Bush II pushed the bounds of executive power and the constitution, especially regarding torture and spying. But he wasn’t as extreme or flagrant, as Trump.

Harris and Biden are moderates. Their policies are well in line with the norms of 21st century presidential politics. Acting as if they’d fundamentally change America is absurd.

Besides, it’s not like this is about politics. It’s about the soul of America. I’d love for problems like climate change, gun violence, and universal health care to be addressed with the next presidency. But that’s not the goal. The goal is removing the cancer from the White House immediately. If that means that the next president won’t be able to do anything in their first term? So be it.

So yes, ALL and ANY of the Democratic candidates would be far better than Trump and it isn’t even close. This election isn’t just about policy.
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Couldn't agree more. Good post.
#nevertrump4life (I mean, unless he were to change. I don't think that will happen though)
 
DasJazz said:
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Fail. Hard.

This election more than any other is about so much more than policy. And I refuse to endorse or support a guy who is a narcissist POS. It’s about what morals we want to represent us. What characteristics we want in a leader. And Trump doesn’t have a single one I want.
 
Stoked said:
Fail. Hard.

This election more than any other is about so much more than policy. And I refuse to endorse or support a guy who is a narcissist POS. It’s about what morals we want to represent us. What characteristics we want in a leader. And Trump doesn’t have a single one I want.
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This, and it's crazy that there are people who don't understand or care.

I think they are just so scared of that scary word "socialism".

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The Thriller said:
Why? Neither would be bad and neither would be an existential threat, like trump. If you actually recognize how awful trump is, it really doesn’t matter who the Democrats nominate insofar that they produce the best candidate to beat Trump.

I’ll never understand people who either:

A. Normalize Trump. Pretending like voting for or against him is a realistic choice for reasonable human beings. As if this is a choice between Romney or Obama. It’s not. Trump is an off the charts criminal who everyday abuses the office.

Or

B. Over Exaggerate their disdain for Democrats by acting like Democrats are “just as bad” as Trump. As if is Biden is the left’s version of Trump. None of the democrats are close to trump when it comes to extremism, lack of character, and criminality. Also, None of the hold the support of their party and media like trump does. Can anyone honestly imagine the DNC being held hostage to Warren or Harris’s tweets the way the GOP is held to Trump’s?

I never agreed with many of the policies of Bush I, McCain, or Romney. But none of them were existential threats, like Trump. All of them were reasonable alternatives to their Democratic opponents. Even Bush II. I mean Bush II pushed the bounds of executive power and the constitution, don’t get me wrong, especially regarding torture and spying. His admin put the idea of a “Unitary Executive” into power in ways that Nixon could only dream of. But he wasn’t as extreme or flagrant, as Trump.

Harris and Biden are moderates. Let’s make that clear. They aren’t liberal Trumps. Their policies are well in line with the norms of 21st century presidential politics. Acting as if they’d fundamentally change America is absurd. So let’s stop these lame comparisons.

Besides, it’s not like this is about politics. It’s about the soul of America. I’d love for problems like climate change, gun violence, and universal health care to be addressed with the next presidency. But that’s not the goal. The goal is removing the cancer from the White House immediately. If that means that the next president won’t be able to do anything in their first term? So be it.

So yes, ALL and ANY of the Democratic candidates would be far better than Trump and it isn’t even close. This election isn’t just about policy.
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Yeah right Thriller. Yes, I am disgusted by some of Trump's telling it like it is. NOT People like you want him to be politically correct. We love someone that will uncover the media bias, and will fight for America. Do you not notice how the mainstream media takes sentences he says out of context? Go back and fix your country and then come back and show us how you did it...becomes go back to your country. Yes, he is far to prideful. I would love for him to be more humble. Trump is a flawed man for sure, but name me one democratic presidential hopeful that is not flawed.

How about Biden withholding funds from Ukraine until they fired the government investigator that was looking into how Biden's son got paid millions? How about the money his son was paid by Russia? How about the millions paid into Hillary's so called charity by many many countries, while she was secretary of state. How about Bill's half a million speaking fee paid by Russia. How about Obama telling the Russian tell Vladimir I will be more flexible after the election. Were you disgusted by Obama saying if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor, and how we would save $2,500 a year on our insurance? Were you disgusted by Obama's attorney general meeting with Bill Clinton on the tarmac, while Hillary was under investigation? Were you disgusted that Hillary was able to delete over 30,000 emails that were under subpoena, take hammers to her cell phones, remove sim cards and bleach bit her computer hard drive?

Are you disgusted by Booker's admitted sexual scandal, and the fact the democrats are letting him run for president? Are you disgusted by a state democratic governor either wearing a kkk outfit or being in black face? Are you one that overlooks the attorney general of that same state being accused of rape? What happened to "we believe her" spoken by most all the democrats when they were trying to block kavanaugh from being a supreme court judge. Double standards. One for conservatives and one for liberals.

Are you disgusted with Stormy's porn lawyer claiming Kavanaugh was having rape parties? Were you disgusted when the witness against Kavanaugh delayed the hearings because she said she was afraid to fly, then they found out she flew all the time? Why did Stormy have to pay Trumps legal fees? Were you disgusted over Stormy's porn lawyer being on CNN so many times? Were you disgusted when CNN told him he should run for president? Does it bother you that lawyer is up on federal charges on both the west coast and east coast? Were you disgusted that Obama set the IRS on conservatives, or how he weaponized the intelligence agency to spy on Trump before and after the elections? Were you outraged that Mueller did not hire his own staff? Were you outraged that the man that was at the Hillary victory party (that was called off) was doing the hiring for Mueller's staff? Did it disgust you that a former Hillary attorney was on the Mueller team?
I could go on and on about the hypocrisy of the left. Anyone would be better than Trump...I don't think so.
 
Stoked said:
Fail. Hard.

This election more than any other is about so much more than policy. And I refuse to endorse or support a guy who is a narcissist POS. It’s about what morals we want to represent us. What characteristics we want in a leader. And Trump doesn’t have a single one I want.
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Okay but the question was if it was between Biden, Harris, or Trump, who would you pick. And whether you like it or even want to accept it, I can very easily shredd both of those candidates for their views and misgivings and therefore don't think that they would be a step in the right direction.
 
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