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Political Jazz Fan said:
"Very fine people" is debunked BS and you guys know it.
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As much as an actual, specific, direct quote that represents what Trump was actually feeling (since he has continually repeated such sentiments) can be debunked, sure.

Perhaps you'd care to explain which groups of protesters, in the march with people yelling "blood and sand" and "Jews will not replace us", were the very fine people, and what they were there to protest that was a very fine cause?
 
Political Jazz Fan said:
This is for @colton and @fishonjazz. Two members of JazzFanz that worship at the alter of "rhetoric". I'm sure it's okay if a Democrat does it though? Amirite?
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This is the point you always miss, or really refuse to acknowledge: THEY ALL SUCK! EVERY ONE OF THEM, REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT! BUT TRUMP SUCKS WORST OF ALL!

This a the most "lesser of 2 evils" election I can remember in my life, and might be the worst in the history of this country. But Biden's evil is the equivalent of an unfair parking ticket against Trump's evil of 5 racist cops gunning down a black soccer mom and all of her kids in a traffic stop for not signaling properly gone wrong while screaming "white pride!"

And that is only a mild exaggeration.
 
Political Jazz Fan said:
This is for @colton and @fishonjazz. Two members of JazzFanz that worship at the alter of "rhetoric". I'm sure it's okay if a Democrat does it though? Amirite?
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Perhaps you'd care to explain which groups of Charlottesville protesters, in the march with people yelling "blood and sand" and "Jews will not replace us", were the very fine people, and what they were there to protest that was a very fine cause?
 
The Thriller said:
I thought trump and Trumpers didn’t care about feelings? Now they can’t stop whining.
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In your little world, of course, "Trump" is a four-letter word, and Trumpers are of course undesirable sub humans, and your idea of true humanity requires political purification rites, at least in public speech. Well, let's just say, requires a professed sort of humanity that's intolerant of actual thinking processes working in coherence with the party line, but which of course is blind to deviances within your own ranks. After all, nobody on the left can even keep track of what is or is not a lie, but everything goes as long as it is intolerant of nonconformists.

Let's see you stop your damn whining for a day. Or stop lying for five minutes once a week.

And hell, let's see someone in here do a fact-check on a Trump speech that isn't a stretched line of half-truths.
 
One Brow said:
Perhaps you'd care to explain which groups of Charlottesville protesters, in the march with people yelling "blood and sand" and "Jews will not replace us", were the very fine people, and what they were there to protest that was a very fine cause?
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Don't even try to claim you are unaware of about 30% of the people there being actually totally against that kind of political rhetoric, carrying signs perhaps quite peacefully and respectfully simply declaring support for preserving or removing historical monuments relevant to people and events considered valuable reminders, or harbors of ill will, of past events or issues. These folks didn't even have a leader, and nobody paid them to be there. And the media ignored them entirely. You have to know, though, because they were there in every video. Bystanders, curious onlookers by the score, but a hellava lot of marginally informed people who didn't realize the political strategies being employed.

I am of the opinion that the organizers of the right, as well as the left, in the events in May but mosre clearly in the later events, are paid organizers on the political principles of Machiavelli and Marxist political traineesor agitators. These tactics require, as a goal, the intent to draw in many people on uninformed sympthies or antipathies to the selected issues.

By this calculation it may be said that most people who were there were good people expressing a lower level of rhetorical discussion, who simply either felt that history needed to be preserved, or that objectionable history be removed.

These are the people Trump referenced as good Americans.

 
babe said:
Don't even try to claim you are unaware of about 30% of the people there being actually totally against that kind of political rhetoric, carrying signs perhaps quite peacefully and respectfully simply declaring support for preserving or removing historical monuments relevant to people and events considered valuable reminders, or harbors of ill will, of past events or issues.
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Valuable reminders of white supremacy, erected for the purpose or reminding black people that their place was below that of white people. Very "fine", indeed.
 
One Brow said:
Valuable reminders of white supremacy, erected for the purpose or reminding black people that their place was below that of white people. Very "fine", indeed.
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No way. No one in America's slavery past ever even considered 'white supremacy" a thing. They were people who in large numbers came here as indentured servants, apprentices, or who had no opportunity in england/etc and put their all on the line just to get here.

Today's ranchers throughout the West, and in California's agricultural districts, are not "White Supremacists" today, either. They are practical people trying to make something of the resources they have, who need help.

The economic climate created by slavers offloading blacks for sale meant that many people who just wanted to survive economically, had to also buy the cheap labor, just as today's open border politics puts many Americans today in a disadvantaged position of having to use the illegal/cheap labor.

None of this excuses anyone from any kind of oppressive conduct, nor does it mean runaway slaves or workers who find another way to survive are bad people who need to be rounded up and shipped out. We need more people. Our whole economic system is profoundly growth-dependent. If we ever have a declining population we will have a Depression.

Almost every society ever observed with an understanding eye has had privileged and underprivileged classes, more often distinguished by ethnic or cultural or racial lines of "reason", mostly based on who a person is. Today's "liberals" or democrats, or socialists worldwide are no better. Everything is connections and privilege based on political favor or disfavor. China is probably as bad as it has ever been, and the Democratic Party of the USA is in fact, rhetorical offerings aside, deeply influenced by China. Enough to make the whole Russia collusion thing with Trump a seriously laughable ploy.
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You should realize that most black slaves shipped to America were captivated and sold by other black folks, who saw it as an economic convenience for themselves. Just as here in Utah, the Ute Indians had a long-standing practice of capturing Shoshone or Piute root diggers, very peaceable and isolation-loving encampments along basin lakes and rivers all over western Utah and Nevada, and then sold them off in Albuquerque to the Spanish hefes.

For black slaves offloaded into the Colonies or states before 1820, the reason they were slaves brought here was not racial. It was exploitative of inadequately defended villagers. The racial component was not ever legally set out as "blacks will be slaves", even in the United States. There were black slave owners, and Cherokee slave owners. The legal definition of a slave was a person who was sold and paid for legally, per the inexcusable laws of the time.

Brigham Young ended the Ute slave trading by threatening holy war against the Utes, and made friends with the Piutes like Kanosh, and settled some of the natives on good farming lands and taught them the farmjing methods.

You are like many political hucksters, dishonest in the extreme, for unabashedly running out political operations trying to inflame racial issues and differences regardless of the facts, regardless of the real history.

The Constitutional American tradition is the standout exception in all the world and across all human history, for even professing, but also for actually achieving a significant degree of equal protection under the law, and equal rights for all distinctive sorts of persons. Socialist revolutionaries will destroy all that, and like Xi Jin Peng, will set human rights back four millennia, to before the first principles of Mosaic Law required strangers to have rights protected by the resident community.

Because what they care about is not the people, but their power over the people.
 
babe said:
No way. No one in America's slavery past ever even considered 'white supremacy" a thing.
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Just about every paragraph written near that time in the USA on black people says the opposite.

babe said:
You should realize that most black slaves shipped to America were captivated and sold by other black folks, who saw it as an economic convenience for themselves.
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I do. I don't see how that invalidates the prevalence of white supremacy in the US.

babe said:
For black slaves offloaded into the Colonies or states before 1820, the reason they were slaves brought here was not racial.
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The reasons they were slaves instead of indentured servants is racial.

babe said:
There were black slave owners, and Cherokee slave owners.
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How many white slaves were there in 1800, or 1810? We couldn't buy any from the European nations that were fighting wars with each other? We didn't even try?

babe said:
You are like many political hucksters, dishonest in the extreme, ...
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I'm not so dishonest I'm claiming slavery was race-blind or not based on notions of racial superiority.
 
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