The official "let's impeach Trump" thread

[Joe Bagadonuts]

You are repeating a lie. Is it ignorance, or are you lying?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Counsel_investigation_(2017–2019)

• Michael Cohen, Trump's personal lawyer, pled guilty to making hush payments to Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal in violation of campaign finance laws, and was convicted for several unrelated counts of bank and tax fraud.[17][18]
• Lieutenant General Michael Flynn, who had been appointed as National Security Advisor by the incoming Trump administration, was convicted of making false statements to FBI investigators about his conversations with Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak during the presidential transition, and he was dismissed from his position.[19][20]
• Konstantin Kilimnik, Manafort's business partner in Ukraine, was indicted for witness tampering at the behest of Manafort;[21] Kilimnik is suspected of working for Russian intelligence.[22]
• Paul Manafort, former Trump campaign chairman was found guilty on eight felony counts of tax evasion and bank fraud,[23] pursuant to his earlier lobbying activities for the Party of Regions of former Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovich.[24][25] He later pled guilty to conspiracy to defraud and obstruction of justice;[26][27] in total, he was sentenced to over seven years in jail[28] in February 2018.
• George Papadopoulos Trump campaign adviser was convicted for making false statements to the FBI.[29]
• Roger Stone, a longtime Trump advisor who had met with a Russian person offering to sell derogatory financial information about Hillary Clinton,[30] was indicted on seven charges of lying to Congress and witness tampering. He pled not guilty.[31] The jury subsequently found him guilty on all seven counts.[32]

Not at all. I would venture 99% of mistakes made investigators/prosecutors favor the result of convicting people. What I don't believe is that 17 errors is an unusual amount, nor that this indicates an animus directed against Trump. This is normal investigative work, which passes for justice among conservatives when the defendant is not white and wealthy.

You have got to be kidding me with this post. Have you looked at the 17 errors? Among them are concealing exculpatory evidence from the FISA court that the FBI clearly knew about, and altering an email to say the opposite of what it actually said. To call these errors is very kind. They look more like crimes. It will be interesting to see if anyone goes to jail or is even forced to answer for them. They are way worse than some of the crimes that you detailed above for which people have gone to prison already.

 

[fishonjazz]

No. Stop trolling my comments. You're attempts to derail any meaningful discussion won't work.

Obsessing over Hillary and Obama in a thread about trump impeachment isn't meaningful and won't work to distract from the fact that Trump abused his power (according to you anyways) and obstructed Congress.

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[sirkickyass]

I'd like to know what Hillary Clinton had to do with PrivatBank stealing and laundering money through Cyprus. Money that came from the US through the IMF.

What we know:

Kolomoisky, who was Poreshenko/Clinton/Obama's favorite billionaire defrauded the bank out of 1.5 billion USD. The case is in court in Deleware for those who care to look it up. Zelensky has also been called a puppet of Kolomoisky, and previously worked on the show aired on Kolomoisky's network.

Zelensky was the person Obama put into power through the work of Nuland and Pyatt. Has anyone heard the famous leaked phone call of those two, under direction of Obama/Clinton and funding from oligarchs discussing rigging the Ukraine election? "**** the EU!". Oops.

We already know about Nuland, but Geoffrey Pyatt is an interesting fellow too. Seems the deep state loves to use him to subvert governments:




https://washdiplomat.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=11933&Itemid=105

We also know Hillary Clinton used her position of power to urge the US Government to give the IMF more money so that shady places like Ukraine bank, that she was in a position of power to oversee but look the other way, could borrow and launder money from.





You mean play an essential role in backdoor paying Kolomoisky for funding Obama's army of rebels in Ukraine.



See, she's clearly talking about funding Ukraine but acting like she isn't. That money was stolen, laundered, and currently being chased down in US court.

https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/7447

Uh oh, I've become Glenn Beck.

Kolomoisky is undeniably a complicated figure in Ukraine (see: recent NYT interview), but I'm trying to figure out what you think the link is between Hillary Clinton and the internal self-lending policies to Privatbank executives.

After Zelensky's election I went to a forum among Ukraine experts, and there was sharp disagreement among them about whether Kolomoisky was a thief, someone who engaged in some Western style investment banking under Eastern-european rules, or a combination of the two. Someone in the audience strongly took the position that all oligarchs steal, but that Kolomoisky was the only one who effectively "gave some back" by financing an initial defense force in the Dnipro region. There is a strong argument that Kolomoisky, who was the governor of the region at the time, effectively stopped the Russian forces from getting outside of Donbass and Donetsk by doing so; stopping the bleeding in the war with Russia.

Today, it looks increasingly like Kolomoisky is unlikely to get his real goal - a controlling stake in Privatbank - because that would cause the IMF to withdraw the next tranche of funding and loan guarantees. This has made Kolomoisky take the public position that if the West won't give him back his bank, he might as well back Russian reunification with Ukraine. That makes him fundamentally self-interested, rather than a patriot.

Kolomoisky's relationship with Zelensky is complicated. Their professional fortunes were definitely tied together, and a Kolomoisky bail-out would be the biggest shot to the anti-corruption message of the Servant for the People party. That said, if you've watched Zelensky's show, and talked to people from Ukraine, it is obvious why he won the election. And thus far, Zelensky really has done a lot to decrease corruption in the country. While the Kolomoisky situation is the biggest political issue in domestic Ukrainian politics, it's developing and it's looking more and more like Kolomoisky will end up being a springboard rather than the bag man at the end of the day.

Near as I can tell, your argument is that Kolomoisky paid those militias in 2015, and later stole money from Privatbank, and that because the IMF gave money to Ukraine this must mean that Hillary Clinton was involved in the Privatbank scandal somehow. Needless to say, there's a few missing steps in this analysis and the Clinton part feels like weirdly motivated reasoning.

I do have a funny Hillary Clinton related story from when I was Kyiv, but I suspect that this isn't the audience for it. Too conspiratorial.

 

[sirkickyass]

BTW: Jazzfanz has to be the least likely place ever for Ukrainian politics to have mattered - but here we are.

 

[Truth]

I am interested in the conspiracy story.
ON an aside , Nancy Pelosi looks kinda hot for her age.

 

[sirkickyass]

You have got to be kidding me with this post. Have you looked at the 17 errors? Among them are concealing exculpatory evidence from the FISA court that the FBI clearly knew about, and altering an email to say the opposite of what it actually said. To call these errors is very kind. They look more like crimes. It will be interesting to see if anyone goes to jail or is even forced to answer for them. They are way worse than some of the crimes that you detailed above for which people have gone to prison already.

So we'll throw out all the evidence gleaned from following Carter Page. Fruit of the poisnous tree (ironically, an evidentiary doctrine weakened by Conservative judges).

Which evidence is that? The GOP likes to say it started the investigation. That isn't true. The investigation was opened on July 28, 2016 - when Pappadapoulous drunkenly bragged about information coming from Moscow through wikileaks to hurt Clinton. The Carter Page Fisa warrant was requested sometime in October of 2016 (the exact day is redacted).

Does it change what anyone associated with the Trump campaign did? Punish the people who fudged the details on a FISA application. Warrant abuse is bad. That doesn't exonerate the Trump campaign in the slightest. It's a side issue.

 

[One Brow]

You have got to be kidding me with this post. Have you looked at the 17 errors? Among them are concealing exculpatory evidence from the FISA court that the FBI clearly knew about, and altering an email to say the opposite of what it actually said. To call these errors is very kind. They look more like crimes. It will be interesting to see if anyone goes to jail or is even forced to answer for them. They are way worse than some of the crimes that you detailed above for which people have gone to prison already.

Wow, such a naive soul.

Investigators and prosecutors do things like this, and much worse, every single day. This is a feature of the US prosecutorial system, not a bug. Due to the inherent immunities in the legal system, they are protected from being charged or sued to such a large degree that they have almost unlimited power in this regard.

 

[One Brow]

They are easy to confuse.

The FBI is majority Republican, as are most law-enforcement agencies.

 

[One Brow]

No. Stop trolling my comments. You're attempts to derail any meaningful discussion won't work.

It can't fail any harder than yours.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

I am interested in the conspiracy story.
ON an aside , Nancy Pelosi looks kinda hot for her age.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Wow, such a naive soul.

Investigators and prosecutors do things like this, and much worse, every single day. This is a feature of the US prosecutorial system, not a bug. Due to the inherent immunities in the legal system, they are protected from being charged or sued to such a large degree that they have almost unlimited power in this regard.

Unbelievable. Goodbye hypocrite.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Did republicans cheer this because they want Pence to be president?

Or did they really not know that he’d be president if Trump were impeached? Like did they think Clinton would be president then? Good grief