The official "let's impeach Trump" thread

[JazzyFresh]

"I'm dealing with a ****ing global crises"

Lol good for Bernie as these idiot reporters are looking for any type to get people pissed. The irony is that Bernie is not doing anything at all and he's already overwhelmed lol. Sadly grown *** adults get triggered because someone was mean to a main stream reporter. I think Bernie is a rat but I'm not going to cry when he goes off on reporters, especially ones with an agenda.

Bleep the main stream media
Bleep snowflake culture

 

[Red]

Trump handled this situation like the *** that he is, but to suggest that Peter Alexander was delivering a softball or trying to offer him some sort of opportunity is ridiculous.

"Is it possible that your impulse to put a positive spin on things may be giving American's a false sense of hope?" That is not a softball designed to give the president an opportunity to express empathy. That is a direct suggestion that the way the president is handling the situation is wrong.

I trust the issue has been clarified sufficiently. I did presume, that by the time I posted the comment that you replied to, that, surely, by that point in the thread, everyone would understand what question triggered Trump. It had, after all, already been made clear what that question was. However, since it's possible not everyone was paying close enough attention to which question it was that caused Trump's eruption, I edited the post in question accordingly.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

No, no, no. The softball was Alexander's second question, I'll have to paraphrase, its not in front of me right now, but the question, in effect was, "what do you say to the millions of Americans who are scared right now?". I think that's close, if not exact. THAT is a softball question, in which the president could have demonstrated empathy and said something reassuring.

Instead, I assume he was still pissed by Alexander's first question, and he lashed out at the reporter instead. I made it pretty clear in my post. You could have read both links from which I extracted what is in my post. But I guess you did not.

Dr. Fauci downplayed the usefulness of the drugs mentioned. Trump then promoted those drugs. Alexander asked an appropriate question.

Furthermore, Alexander did not say "you are absolutely conveying false hope" He asked if it were possible that Trump was conveying false hope. Tough questions come with the job. "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen".

It seems clear that you are confusing the first question for the second, softball, question. I don't know why, but it seems clear you are. And I made an effort to show that in my post by including the two article links.

OK, here was the full softball question, right at the 2nd link I left. If you could not access that link, you surely could have found it elsewhere. Pay attention. The first link covered the first question. The second link covered the second question. I did not spell out that second question, because it was right there in the tweet I posted a few posts earlier. Again, try paying attention. Sorry, but I should not have to be clarifying this for you, if you simply read my post.

(Edit: I posted the second, softball question, into the post Joe Bagadonuts quoted, so others will not make the same mistake he did. So, I will take some responsibility for his confusion. But, that softball question was already present in both the tweet and YouTube clip I posted previously in the thread.)

"What do you say to Americans who are scared, though? I guess nearly 200 dead, 14,000 who are sick, millions, as you witnessed, who are scared right now. What do you say to Americans who are watching you right now, who are scared?"

And that, sir, is a softball question. And you would have to be out in left field somewhere if you do not recognize Trump was, with that question, offered an opportunity by Alexander. How is that not an opportunity to speak from the heart to the American people? But Trump blew his opportunity. I stand exactly by what I said.

The problem is that the second question does not exist in a separate universe from the first. Alexander already indicated that he disagrees with the president's handling. After the president explained himself on that point then Alexander asked his second question which, if you listen to the audio, was not laid out as a softball at all. I think Trump could definitely have handled it better, but I also completely disagree with the characterization that Alexander was lobbing him softballs.

In case you can't remember, this is what a softball looks like:
Jim Acosta asks Obama about his "best week ever."

 

[babe]

this seems relevant to this discussion. Or is he just part of the “left wing media?”

The (temporary) defeat of smallpox was achieved by vaccines, not travel restrictions, and with the waning vaccination program, it has found its way back. There are more vectors for most viral diseases than just the human vector, and we obviously have not vaccinated all the critters we sometimes eat marginally cooked.

And even a has-been world-class expert in one line can be just wrong in another.

(edit)

So I took a while, and looked up this guy and watched some of his speeches, and learned a lot. Smallpox is believed to be something that has no animal reservoir,it was transmissible only human to human, but thousands of years at work and one of the all-time worst diseases humans ever have faced, and we believe it was done circa 1980. Pictures of the disease are still available, and if there were any case it would be immediate news. So it has not found its way back. I was wrong. Dead wrong. I was thinking of something else that has resurged, maybe about T.B. My grandfather had TB, so I have always been checked for it. One of my brothers tests positive for the antibodies. at any rate, smallpox is not being reported, and we know of no possible reservoirs that could ever lead to its resurgence, other than a few laboratories that still have materials that could be released.....

So, even a world-class armchair expert on everything is obviously wrong in this case.

So Larry Brilliant did not appear to be as critical of Trump as some of the professional Trump critics want to make it out.

Larry's idea is "Early detection/early response", meaning we have to get the test kits out, and available to the extent that we could go door-to-door with the kits and test absolutely everyone. Isolate and eradicate.

He says it simply was impractical to just vaccinate everyone. Far more effective and possible to assemble an army of 150,000 volunteers going door to door all over India.... I'm kidding a bit here.....

I don't think any vaccine can be 100% effective, and in my experience, the methods used in making vaccines involve several kinds of risk, including transmission of the very thing you're trying to vaccinate out of existence. A 0.01% transmission rate is not uncommon for a vaccine.

But broad vaccination programs do kill epidemics 100%. Not isolated occurrence, but serious public outbreaks. A good vaccination program is in general protective of large populations living at close quarters.

So, anyway, the criticism of Trump's sometimes "calming" but factually untrue assertions has to be acknowledged. The defense of Trump consists of the things he has done sometimes without publicity, at the advice of his professional advisors in this field of health care. And the way we have worked together, perhaps as antagonists, to get the word out that this pandemic is real. And what we need to do about it.

I continue to hope there are more economically efficient ways we can overcome a pandemic like this. Knowledge is always going to be our most effective path to cure anything.

Do more research, prepare in advance for more pandemics any way we can. Look for all the possible needs, and develop a rapid response when something is beginning.

 

[babe]

I’m not sure why any more words of frustration are uttered on this idiot. His followers love it. They’re fueled by it.

The tone needs to change. Somehow or another. Anger doesn’t help. Find out what demographic of his can be calmly and intelligently swayed and make sure Biden reaches them somehow or another.

as per some posts above, Biden has been more refractory against taking CoViD seriously than Trump has been......

 

[fishonjazz]

as per some posts above, Biden has been more refractory against taking CoViD seriously than Trump has been......

I'm gonna need some proof

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[babe]

Is that Trump's overall approval rating or the approval of his handling of COVID-19 this week vs last week.

FWIW I approve of the fact that Trump is no longer calling COVID-19 a hoax.

The way we read, or take, or understand others in terms of our own set points is exemplified in this particular point.

I have no doubt that our msm is looking for political wrecking balls to swing at Trump, as well as I have no doubts that Trump has, now at least, realized quite well the serious implications of the pandemic. He is doing all the solid advisory warnings throughout his administration, at every level, and trying to get the public responses needed, while doing everything he can from his office.

So I think his response to Alexander is to be expected. You'd do the same to me if you felt you were being harassed unnecessarily.

 

[babe]

Who is "they?”. The judge and or jury that convicted and sentenced him?

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Trump made the decision to relieve him of his job in his administration. It was the FBI and the panel of Hillary lawyers who called themselves a Justice-Dept authorized investigation committee on Russian interference/assistance in our elections who trumped up the charges and prosecuted Flynn for being a known critic of FBI and other Executive Dept. deep-state Obama holdovers doing illegal stuff to begin with. This is sheer political vengeance, of the most horrid partisan sort.

Trump would have suffered intolerable media for years if he had stood up for Flynn all along the way. In the end, it is Americans who believe in justice for all, who have worked tirelessly and who have donated millions for his defense, who have pushed our corrupt bureaucrats to the point where they have illegally resorted to burning their own records, or "losing the records".

It's a felony to so obstruct justice, and we have a lot of bureaucrats whom we should send to jail, and make a big hullabaloo about it, to make an example of them so our horrid "Resistance" volunteers on the public payroll, who are so devoted to their cause that not only will they lie like hell, but break every law on the books if necessary, to "Get Trump".

The judge on the case is an Obama asset/democrat partisan who has violated established judicial protocols to help push for the wrong conviction, and denied access to material that would have exonerated Flynn before any unbiased jury. Jury-packing might be one of the issues here.

But the tenacious defense attorney has done an incredible job nobody ever expected, and the whole railroad team is on the run now.

 

[fishonjazz]

Trump made the decision to relieve him of his job in his administration. It was the FBI and the panel of Hillary lawyers who called themselves a Justice-Dept authorized investigation committee on Russian interference/assistance in our elections who trumped up the charges and prosecuted Flynn for being a known critic of FBI and other Executive Dept. deep-state Obama holdovers doing illegal stuff to begin with. This is sheer political vengeance, of the most horrid partisan sort.

Trump would have suffered intolerable media for years if he had stood up for Flynn all along the way. In the end, it is Americans who believe in justice for all, who have worked tirelessly and who have donated millions for his defense, who have pushed our corrupt bureaucrats to the point where they have illegally resorted to burning their own records, or "losing the records".

It's a felony to so obstruct justice, and we have a lot of bureaucrats whom we should send to jail, and make a big hullabaloo about it, to make an example of them so our horrid "Resistance" volunteers on the public payroll, who are so devoted to their cause that not only will they lie like hell, but break every law on the books if necessary, to "Get Trump".

The judge on the case is an Obama asset/democrat partisan who has violated established judicial protocols to help push for the wrong conviction, and denied access to material that would have exonerated Flynn before any unbiased jury. Jury-packing might be one of the issues here.

But the tenacious defense attorney has done an incredible job nobody ever expected, and the whole railroad team is on the run now.

Hillary lawyers. Obama asset.
Oh babe, your crazy is my favorite kind of crazy

 

[infection]

I'm gonna need some proof

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Encouraging everyone to go out and vote when the rest of the country was shutting down and public messaging across all outlets was to #flattenthecurve.

 

[fishonjazz]

Encouraging everyone to go out and vote when the rest of the country was shutting down and public messaging across all outlets was to #flattenthecurve.

Ya he said that Biden was worse than Trump in regards to the Corona virus.
I agree that Biden saying that was wrong. But that's one comment that not many people heard.

I can provide you an enormous list of comments by trump that way more people heard.

Worse? I don't think so

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[Red]

The problem is that the second question does not exist in a separate universe from the first. Alexander already indicated that he disagrees with the president's handling. After the president explained himself on that point then Alexander asked his second question which, if you listen to the audio, was not laid out as a softball at all. I think Trump could definitely have handled it better, but I also completely disagree with the characterization that Alexander was lobbing him softballs.

In case you can't remember, this is what a softball looks like:
Jim Acosta asks Obama about his "best week ever."

I believe the second question does not exist in a separate universe from the first, because, when the president erupted at "What do you say to Americans who are watching you right now, who are scared?", I believe he was erupting at Alexander's first question regarding the president offering false hope.

Now, if the president truly felt that it was bad journalism for Alexander to ask him if he was offering false hope( and, as explained below, it was not bad journalism), he could have been "the bigger man", and availed himself of the opportunity to offer reassurance to the American people. Instead, he was his usual petty self.

I believe what you may be failing to recognize is that any good journalist has every right to ask that first question of Trump. And not just because of what the president had just said, touting treatments Dr. Fauci had just downplayed. But because, at virtually every one of these coronavirus briefings, the president has offered both false hope and outright misinformation.

And, if you don't believe me, maybe you'll consider what Dr. Fauci says in this extremely telling interview:

“I’ve been telling the president things he doesn’t want to hear. I have publicly had to say something different with what he states,” he continued, explaining that he’s engaged in “risky business” but insisting that Trump is not and has not been “pissed off” at him to date.

“I don’t want to embarrass him,” Fauci added. “I don’t want to act like a tough guy, like I stood up to the president. I just want to get the facts out. And instead of saying, ‘You’re wrong,’ all you need to do is continually talk about what the data are and what the evidence is. And he gets that. He’s a smart guy. He’s not a dummy. So he doesn’t take it—certainly up to now—he doesn’t take it in a way that I’m confronting him in any way. He takes it in a good way.”(https://www.thedailybeast.com/dr-anthony-fauci-i-dont-want-to-embarrass-trump)

So, Dr. Fauci is clearly saying that he would be telling the truth if he just stood there and told the assembled journalists "The president is wrong". If he did, I think that would be the last time Fauci appeared at these briefings, and we need him, if only to correct Dr. Trump.

You do not understand that Alexander's first question also does not exist in a separate universe. It exists in the broader context of repeated misinformation from Trump. If Fauci can't spell that right out, journalists have EVERY right to point it out and hold Trump's feet to the fire. If I were a journalist there, I would have been much more direct: "Mr. President, why are you misinforming the American public?" And, of course, I would then lose my press credentials.

This misinformation, repeated again, and again, and again, has led some to suggest networks simply stop broadcasting these briefings. This was first suggested by Maddow:



Of course, that won't happen. People might fairly point out "ain't the American way". But, there is another solution, one that would spare Fauci of having to repeatedly diplomatically correct Trump. Dr. Trump could simply STFU at these briefings.

And lest folks think Trump's months long misinformation and "fairy tale" scenarios have no effect: Red States and Blue States are experiencing different pandemics:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...and-democrats-think-about-coronavirus/608395/