The official "let's impeach Trump" thread

[Zombie]

So you’re attempting to make an argument that he was a significant outlier, and that explains the 10 percentage point drop, and when confronted with evidence contrary to your “flawed candidate” theory, your response is “well, hey, maybe people changed their minds!” I’m not big into clichés, but that’s mental gymnastics.

Makes a whole lot more sense than that 12pt D wins are the natural state of politics in LA, and Trump helped bridge that gap to deliver a moral victory to Republicans.

 

[infection]

Makes a whole lot more sense than that 12pt D wins are the natural state of politics in LA, and Trump helped bridge that gap to deliver a moral victory to Republicans.

1. It’s not an either/or. It’s about how much of that variance is explained by “poor candidate” theory and other local issues.

2. I’m not suggesting any kind of moral Trump victory. I haven’t said anything about Trump, which is odd because this again isn’t black and white. I’m questioning the assertion that this election has much to do with Trump because getting more context doesn’t look that way. It actually looks worse for that argument the more you dig in. Gameface got this one right. There’s not much you can take from this, but if you wanted to take something from it, it spelling some kind of disaster for Trump isn’t it.

 

[Zombie]

1. It’s not an either/or. It’s about how much of that variance is explained by “poor candidate” theory and other local issues.

2. I’m not suggesting any kind of moral Trump victory. I haven’t said anything about Trump, which is odd because this again isn’t black and white. I’m questioning the assertion that this election has much to do with Trump because getting more context doesn’t look that way. It actually looks worse for that argument the more you dig in. Gameface got this one right. There’s not much you can take from this, but if you wanted to take something from it, it spelling some kind of disaster for Trump isn’t it.

I agree this doesn't necessarily spell disaster for Trump, at least not on its own. But when taken along with the rest of D victories in Kentucky, Virginia, the retaking of the US house, the losses are piling up. Obviously Trump thinks these races mean something to him, or else he wouldn't be making multiple campaign stops at each one in the weeks before the election.

At a certain point saying these races don't matter, starts to look a little desperate.

 

[One Brow]

They held a trial and Zimmerman was found not guilty and set free....
Oh gee, So I guess all the screaming by the media was just a bunch of lies.

So, since Hillary Clinton has never been convicted of a crime, by this standard you think she's innocent of all wrongdoing, right?

 

[One Brow]

Well, let me put it this way. The democrats have investigated now for 3 years solid and have come up with nothing.

Mueller was a Republican. The Democrats only started investigating after his report came out.

 

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Hunter Biden and his coke and hooker addiction all while getting dishonorably discharged definitely warranted that job...

Nobody even dates to ask...

It's been answered and ignored.

 

[One Brow]

Answer the question or don't. If Trump was extorting Ukraine only one person was concerned enough?

One person was the first to report it, but many were concerned enough to verify the report to the IG.

 

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And why must you guys always just try to degrade someone instead of either answer or just not answer?

Why must you ignore answers you've been given and repeat the questions again?

 

[infection]

I agree this doesn't necessarily spell disaster for Trump, at least not on its own. But when taken along with the rest of D victories in Kentucky, Virginia, the retaking of the US house, the losses are piling up. Obviously Trump thinks these races mean something to him, or else he wouldn't be making multiple campaign stops at each one in the weeks before the election.

At a certain point saying these races don't matter, starts to look a little desperate.

I’m not sure if you’re suggesting that I’ve said any of those races don’t matter, because I haven’t. The two posts that got me in to this discussion are below:

Lol



GOP lost again tonight. Democratic governor Edwards wins re-election in uber red state Louisiana. Trump can’t even win in those “liberal” bastions of Kentucky and Louisiana. Repubs, you sure you want 4 more years of this “winning?”

can we get Donald to campaign for mike Lee or Moscow Mitch? I really want them to lose.

This is significant.

Thriller says Trump can’t even win in “uber red state.” colton quotes someone who points out that Trump carried Louisiana in 2016 by 20 points but now his backed candidate loses and colton says, “this is significant.”

My questions are whether this is “significant” and whether this is a huge stain on Trump, which it sounds like you’re acknowledging isn’t really the case, at least not the way people are talking about it. I mean, is his win unprecedented? The original tweet references that Trump won by 20%. I suppose that’s relevant, but bringing up the fact that Edwards won by 12.2% a year before needs all kinds of qualifiers, but his current 2.6% win is a huge referendum on Trump. That just doesn’t make sense and requires one to take different sides of the issue in multiple areas to make that narrative consistent. Apparently his big win a year before Trump wasn’t significant, but this one is.

The bigger issue here is that people’s judgement is being clouded. You can despise Trump and see evidence for believing he’s losing support without appealing to every argument that hits the wall. But it’s fairly black and white. So hearing things like this becomes pornography for ones ears when there’s a large element of wishful thinking on board.

 

[One Brow]

He won by 12.2% in 2015. He won by 2.6% now. The Jindal and Vitter issues explain all the variance? An 80% reduction in victory margin is a stain on Trump? This sounds like the kind of nuance Locke pumped all day circa 2013 to argue that Corbin was a good coach. It reads more like all of franklin’s pro-Corbin spin that was partial parody. It’s like when someone’s been assigned an argument in debate class, so they’re defending it just because that’s what you do.

I agree. While flipping Virginia seems legitimate, it was already purple, and we should not put too much emphasis on two races in Kentucky and Louisiana.

 

[Gameface]

Louisiana is a red state, so let’s clear that up first.

Edwards won in 2015 after Bobby Jindal left it in ruins and disgraced ex-senator David Vitter won the republican primary. So Edwards winning in 2015 wasn’t a surprise, it was expected. For those of who who don’t remember David Vitter, google him (but don’t do it at work). So I wouldn’t focus too much on 2015 as 2019 is a better indicator of where things are truly at.

During Edward's governorship, he’s done things that are typically attacked by the right. Things such as raised taxes, increased public education spending, and balanced the budget.

Trump campaigned for the republican too, who’s a much more electable candidate than David Vitter. He visited the state 3 times in 5 weeks. He begged, “like a dog”, for Louisiana to give him a win.

So this time the election truly was a mandate on Democratic governing. Did the people want to continue with this same tax raisin, public education spendin liberal?

Apparently yes!

So here’s why people are talking about it:

1. A red state votes blue once again.
2. Once again traditionally red suburbs voted overwhelmingly blue. Clearly, the college educated and women voters have become alienated by the GOP’s Trumpism. This combined with African Americans is making a formidable coalition for democrats. Maybe repubs shouldn’t have spent the past 3 years alienating these constituencies?
3. Once again Trump puts his own political capital on the line for a Republican candidate for Governor and loses.
4. It shows that Trump isn’t the magician he thinks he is. It shows that local politicians should look out for themselves and not try to nationalize politics with the hopes that Trump’s pixie dust will work in them. If anything, smearing yourself in Trump’s sludge makes you less likely to win.

Edit: it also seems to suggest that if voting to impeach or convict is the right thing to do, do it without hesitation. Trump isn’t superman. Republicans, stop debasing yourselves for the titanic

That’s why.

this article explains things pretty well too:
https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/17/poli...iana-governor-republicans-election/index.html

There's quite a conundrum, though, for Republicans. They can't get out of a Republican primary if they are against Trump.

 

[silesian]

Why must you ignore answers you've been given and repeat the questions again?

It’s his most famous modus operandi