Thats how I feel about the Russia Birthers.
Im actually ready to come to the middle whenever you guys are.
In your view what is "the middle?"
Thats how I feel about the Russia Birthers.
Im actually ready to come to the middle whenever you guys are.
I do want to put on my lawyer hat for a bit here and say that the "unless there's a statutory crime, you can't impeach" argument is very bizarre to me. I see Jonathan Turley and the GOP talking heads say that like it's this beyond obvious statement. It doesn't actually make any sense in the overall framework of the American legal system.
The structure of our government is that there are tiers of legal authority. Roughly:
Tier One: The Constitution
Tier Two: Statutes.
Tier Three: Administrative law and implementation decisions.
And so on and so forth. We can have debates about where things like executive orders and OLC decisions sit, but there's no dispute that the Constitution sits at the top.
In this scheme, laws derive their power and force because they are in accordance with the larger constitutional design. This is why the Supreme Court invalidates laws that are Unconstitutional. By contrast, it does not invalidate portions of the Constitution that are incompatible with individual laws passed by Congress. The existence of Constitutional mechanisms takes precedence over the existence of laws: not the other way around.
The GOP insistence that it is impossible to invoke constitutional remedies without reference to later-drafted criminal statutes gets this power relationship precisely backwards. The impeachment process was drafted and defined before there was even an operating United States criminal code. The impeachment clauses of the Constitution exist independently of any specific criminal violation - they do not require Congress to have passed a specific "don't abuse your power brah" criminal statute in order to be effective. Many of the crimes against the country that a President could commit are probably logistically only commitable by that one person. No one else has the authority to sell US Foreign policy credibly. A legal theory that the impeachment provisions of the Constitution are inoperable unless later codified by statutory grant presupposes that the Constitution gets its power from later law and that we need a separate criminal code that applies to only a single person. These are, frankly, legal absurdities.
Those who most claim to love our Constitution sure do their damnedest to render it ineffective. They either don't understand the basics of how the government is supposed to work or are purposely saying things that "sort of sound right" to confuse people who don't know any better. And it honestly saddens me to these sort of "ignorant of civics 101" talking points spread so widely during this process.
I don't think this has been posted yet. Trump's six page letter to House Democrats on the eve of the floor vote.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/17/politics/read-trump-impeachment-letter-to-house-democrats/index.html
In your view what is "the middle?"
Remember how you wanted Trump impeached for multiple things besides the Ukraine bribery but even said that you think he is guilty of that but that there just wouldn't be enough evidence to get him for that?
So you think he has done 3 impeachable offenses but there is only enough evidence on two of the things.
Good times
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I'm glad mainstream media didn't get to you.
Also, it is surreal to me that it has been taken as an article of faith that the Russia investigation turned up nothing. We have the Mueller report, which documents all the Russian hacking and distribution of information to Wikileaks. We have Don Jr.'s "I love it email" and we know they met with the Kremlin lawyer about Magnitsky act sanctions. We know all about Manafort and Flynn's connections to Deripaska and other Putin connected oligarchs. We've got people in jail that were at the closest points of Trump's inner circle.
Just today: Maria Butina, the Russian spy who infiltrated the NRA and used Russian money to pump up the influence of the gun right's group,to help Trump, in the 2016 election, has been hired as a new television presenter for state-run Russia Today. She wears a t-shirt that says "foreign agent" in the promotional video for her new show.
https://tolknews.ru/news/27366-stal...TxpoutiARz3VinWD5IE_XAt3KhSnOYbPFwog9CY07zKgs
Here's video of Butina talking to then candidate Donald Trump at a public forum, in which they agree that there should be no sanctions on Russia: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Fp1TioaLcg&feature=youtu.be
The core issue in American politics is that Trump's administration has fundamental and glaring legitimacy problems, he was elected by a minority with the interference of an adversarial foreign power. In reality, the GOP has won the popular vote in a presidential election precisely one time in the last 30 years. A rule by the minority is not sustainable over decades in a consitutional democracy, and there's a push to pretend that isn't what has occurred. Trump's illegitimacy cannot be psychologically acknowledged by the party - it requires too much of a shock to the overall system of understanding of what and who America is. But until we break the deadlock caused by illegitimate government we're all going to be at each other's throats perpetually.
It was not just that the committee eventually voted to approve two articles of impeachment, charging Mr. Trump with abusing the power of his office and obstructing Congress. Throughout the committee’s debate, the lawmakers from the two parties could not even agree on a basic set of facts in front of them...
It was an example of the different impeachment realities that the two parties are living in. But it was hardly the only one.
Sure, Id be happy to answer your questions.
I could point to dozens of fake news stories about Trump, but why not just point to the mother load that proves my point.
Russia Gate. Nothing a bigger lie and nonsensical BS conspiracy story than this. Inside of this bgger lie has been many lies told. See below.
https://www.rollingstone.com/politi...sia-investigation-questions-remaining-928081/
"The Horowitz report makes clear that multiple news cycles over the last few years were dominated by reports that were either incorrect or lacking factual foundation.
- Are media corrections forthcoming?
These included assertions by multiple outlets that the Steele dossier was not central to the FBI’s efforts to secure a warrant on Page, that the FBI found Christopher Steele and his dossier “credible,” that tales of FISA abuse were conspiracy theory (one of many claims Mother Jones called “********”), that the memo written by Devin Nunes on the subject was wrong and had been “debunked,” that Russians “blocked” Trump from nominating Mitt Romney as Secretary of State, that Trump lawyer Michael Cohen was in Prague (presumably to meet Russian hackers), that a “pee tape” existed, that Russia’s Alfa Bank and the Trump campaign were communicating via a secret server, that the FISA warrant on Page must have been producing good intelligence in order to be renewed three times, and many other things."
Why do I support Trump and why did I vote for him?
Im not religious and I have never watched a single episode of The Apprentice. So those guesses are wrong. Im not a true conservative. Im just temporarily taking this side. I voted for him because he represented throwing a wrench in the corrupt political system. The more the establishment goes after him and exposes themselves as what I thought they were, which are corrupt liars, the more I support him.
As I have stated before, I can see his flaws. I would have much rather have preferred it was someone else that was doing this. Someone smarter and less cringey. But no one else had the power or guts to do what he is doing.
In a weird way he has the outward appearances of being a terrible person, but at the same time is doing one of the bravest things Ive seen a politician do. He is a one man show taking on things no one else thought was possible. Im honestly suprised he hasnt been JFK'd yet.
Using one poll is never accurate.
This is multiple polls...
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/e...ment_and_removal_of_president_trump-6957.html
And the group of polls on 538 reveals an even worse outlook for democrats.
The middle looks something like this.
We can agree mostly on what the facts are. We cut the hyper partisan BS. The outrage is spread equally to all those that are guilty of wrong doing. It isn't directed in just one direction while deliberately overlooking other important factors.
We can look at politics and admit that there are troubling things coming from both sides and it all deserves attention and rectification.
We can admit the there is hyperpartisan propaganda being spewed by both sides and the media outlets that supports them. Then discuss productive ways to try and fix it.
For example: You cant overlook what the FBI, the Clintons, etc have done and solely focus on what you dont like about Trump. It all matters if you care about truth and justice.
But that isnt what happens is it? If someone on the right brings up anything the left is accused of doing it is mostly rigorously defended and those who talk about it are called idiots. Or if it's pointed out that the media is taking sides then you are called an idiot and told its only Fox News. Responding this way to people is only going to get you what you have been getting. No one is going to just agree with you because you look down your nose at them and berate them for disagreeing. Especially if only half the claimed facts line up.
So "the middle" is a pure both-sidesism perspective where everyone is equally corrupt and villainous?
You must need your daily dose of attention from me. Look, you can't honestly not expect this to happen to the guy. He can't go around acting the way he does and say the things he does without painting a giant target on his back. People are going to be out to get him and all of this is to be expected, deserved even. I would go as far as saying you are up in the night if you don't think Trump not only expects the blowback but wants it and thrives on it. That's why my pet theory is still that Trump was behind the whistleblower. That's just a hunch and I have nothing to back it up, so stop demanding i google some link to prove it to you. I just think he thinks it's the best way to win the political battle. Keep in mind this is all one giant political battle. You can either see it that way, from above, or you can be one of the actors unwittingly running around inside the play.
Yes. As long as his side is the most corrupt and villainous.So "the middle" is a pure both-sidesism perspective where everyone is equally corrupt and villainous?
LOLOLOL!!!Why would she have paid for Giuliani to go to Ukraine on Trump's behalf?