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The *OFFICIAL* Russia Is About To Invade Ukraine Thread
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Bill Clinton talks about NATO and Russia.
www.theatlantic.com
I Tried to Put Russia on Another Path
My policy was to work for the best, while expanding NATO to prepare for the worst.
www.theatlantic.com
Bill Clinton talks about NATO and Russia.
I Tried to Put Russia on Another Path
My policy was to work for the best, while expanding NATO to prepare for the worst.
Some authorities on this subject thought that was our chance to bring Russia West, and make NATO reach to China.
Not really a bad idea, if we didn't have such a compulsion to strong arm our way with Russia.
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Lol poor innocent sweet Russia.
It's almost fun to see all the hobgoblins in the "progressive" mind. You see extremists everywhere. Everyone who won't just roll over and comply. Zelensky has outlawed political parties he fears might be pro-Russian even after the horrid invasion, a spectrum of small parties dotting the whole political panopoly of Ukraine, but which add up to more than half the population.
The White House is freaked out that Putin's next big win could be in Paris
If Russia apologist Marine LePen wins the French elections, Washington fears she could unravel the Western NATO alliance.www.politico.com
“A Le Pen victory, once unthinkable, would present the European Union with its biggest crisis since Brexit, potentially triggering a slow death rattle for the constellation of countries and completely upending a continent. And in the short term, it would deeply shake the pro-Ukraine coalition that extends from Warsaw to Washington.”
This French "right wing extremist" is focused on the price of food, heat, and essential stuff. She is about as extreme as the average mom.
But whoa....... We Can't tolerate that.
The truth is that a lot of people still just think for themselves. Most people.
Maybe you should just learn to live with that fact.
Anti-Russia foaming at the mouth dude.
I'm still trying to analyze Mark Levin and Sean Hannity and most republicans, who are amazingly compliant with liberal news on Ukraine.
It's safe to say most Ukrainians value their independence from Russia, and from the West as well. They just want their own place and their own peace. Their comedian-idiot fake patriot Prez has signed them up for being the foot soldiers for another endless war.
I'm still trying to evaluate whether this is a fake war for the little people. All this patriotism and warmongering on both sides, while Biden and honchos are happy to let Russians negotiate for us in Iran and get the Iranian enriched uranium for their own use from it.
Doesn't really square with good sense, in my book.
Russian state-owned Rossatom has been the world leader in the development of nuclear power projects all over the world. Nuclear power is a far better choice than most of our green energy ideas, if you even believe the hoax about carbon dioxide. Our honchos are idiots for not being determined to lead that industry.
I see Biden's blunder in allowing this new war setup to even get started, deliberately provoking it and pushing it, with no real aim to end it. Its only domestic purpose seems to be making Americans pay more for energy. Then, I am sure, we will wring our hands when Xi lands "humanitarian brigades" on Formosa. Some call that place Taiwan, but it has never been Chinese territory. It was occupied by Chinese Nationalists who have squatted there since the Japanese left. The native people are Formosans, related ethnically to the Filipinos.
But why do I even bother to try to educate ignoramuses. Look at the stuff you read and try to figure out what is propaganda yourselves.
Oh wait. JazzFanz is the training cell for the future Ministry of Truth.
That's the real LOL>
Suppression of some types of opposition in wartime has been a part of every war in human history, and the "small parties" aren't even a tenth of Ukraine's population, much less more than half.
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Dud,e your sources are useless NWO, QAnon and Deep State quacks and Russian propaganda. Stop reading patriot patel and other pro Trump quacks. Seriously, stop. You are disgrace with this ********.
Don't be such a damned liar when you know the truth. I posted above a link to a Ukranian reporter discussing the eleven parties. I'll post it again, but I expect the most abject apology and admission of the truth you can manage. The main opposition party which has had sustained influence, even holding majorities in the parliament and consequently holding the Presidency, with Russian alliance and support leads the list.
Here's the article, which I think is quite objective.
The Map of Political Forces in Today’s Ukraine
Here is the list of parties Zelensky has banned:
Opposition political parties banned in Ukraine and 'unified information policy' imposed : Peoples Dispatch
Zelensky justified the ban on mostly left and anti-NATO parties in the country by claiming that they had alleged links with Russia, despite the fact that most of these parties have publicly opposed Russian intervention
peoplesdispatch.org
The 11 political parties banned include Opposition Platform for Life, which has 39 seats in the 450-seat Ukrainian parliament. Among the other parties banned are the Party of Sharity, Nashi (Ours) Party, Left Opposition, Union of Left Forces, Socialist parties. Several of these are left-wing parties and have been opposed to Ukrainian membership of NATO and the European Union (EU).
Opposition Platform for Life has a substantial base in the Russian speaking population in Ukraine’s east. It is led by Viktor Medvedchuk who has been charged with treason by the Ukrainian government. He was put under house arrest following the Russian attack. However, it is alleged by the Ukrainian government that he has escaped house arrest. The charge was denied by Medvedchuk’s lawyer.
Zelensky shut down three TV stations before the invasion, and had already embraced Fascist political elements who had been successful in fighting the Russians in the east. This was when Putin encouraged political refugees in the donbas to come to Russia.
To sum it up, Zelensky never got a majority vote in any election. He won in a parliamentary system with fluid small parties coming and going quite quickly. The Communist Parties have been banned for years. The pro-Russian party in power in 2014 was overthrown by a coup, not an election. Nazi groups largely funded from the West gained power. Zelensky came on the scene as a popular figure with hopes of reforming a grossly corrupt national situation. Most of that corruption has come from Western influencers competing in the field with Russian influencers. The Ukranian people have no voice, and that is the problem. too many cooks in the kitchen, too many fingers in the pot. The ordinary people are the ones who suffer.
Zelensky has sold out the Ukranian people and decimated what rights and hopes they had.
A non-military neutrality without either the EU or NATO or Russia is hard to sustain, but it is the goal.
No, it's not the US policy goal or the NATO goal. The Western goal is to take down Putin and get his oil off the market. So we can be one big happy fake socialist world run by our Honcho Fascists who pretend to be communists/'socialists like every good little college student. Probably Putin wanted Ukraine too. The Donbas and Crimea were Russian territories in recent history until Khruschev moved the border of Ukraine for internal reason of his own.
In all history there has never been a Ukraine that was not being overrun by somebody. It has been run over by everybody on every side. Everyone has left some genetics and some history and some culture there. The idea of keeping our obligations by treaty and diplomacy after the fall of the USSR was the best bet we ever had to do something good for Ukraine...... by staying the hell out and making sure Russia didn't dare go in.
Soros' allies and Western interests insinuated activists into this hell-hole divided people and started the damn war. 2014 is seen by many as the time they gained a foothold, but the issue has been more sustained than that. Even 2005 it was an issue.
Human rights were pretty bad under Zelensky before the invasion, with both sides being charged with gross violations of international law.
Human rights in Ukraine
Stay up to date on the state of human rights in Ukraine with the latest research, campaigns and education material from Amnesty International.
www.amnesty.org
You're seriously mistaken. None of those are my sources. You should look up the links I post with my comments. I read a lot of stuff. I have to try hard not to swallow the cool aid you swizzle.
just a hint. I think you can manage this if your IQ floats above 50 or so. A bare personal attack is the lowest form of discussion. If you don't like what I say, you should read the information it is based on and then maybe find something that's not just propaganda to improve the discussion. OB and Red try, but unfortunately, we have a media that is much like Pravda or the Russian state media, or other state-run media. It seems the guiding notion of "journalism" today is something we have absorbed from China, which got it from the modern Mormons. That idea is that good journalism does not report or inform, but influence thinking. With the goal of conformity.
That kind of media is the worst thing we can do to ourselves. We have to find a way to rise above it and get the facts and make a better world for ourselves. No top-down authoritarian trash, please.
2019 Ukrainian parliamentary election - Wikipedia
I acknowledge the percent of support is well over a tenth. It doesn't seem to be as high as a fifth. Since you claimed "more than half", you lied on a much larger scale. I doubt any abject apology will be forthcoming on your part.
Only two of those parties got more than 0.5% of the vote.Here is the list of parties Zelensky has banned:
Opposition political parties banned in Ukraine and 'unified information policy' imposed : Peoples Dispatch
Zelensky justified the ban on mostly left and anti-NATO parties in the country by claiming that they had alleged links with Russia, despite the fact that most of these parties have publicly opposed Russian intervention
The 11 political parties banned include Opposition Platform for Life, which has 39 seats in the 450-seat Ukrainian parliament. Among the other parties banned are the Party of Sharity, Nashi (Ours) Party, Left Opposition, Union of Left Forces, Socialist parties. Several of these are left-wing parties and have been opposed to Ukrainian membership of NATO and the European Union (EU).
Again, standard stuff in war time.
2019 Ukrainian parliamentary election - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
I acknowledge the percent of support is well over a tenth. It doesn't seem to be as high as a fifth. Since you claimed "more than half", you lied on a much larger scale. I doubt any abject apology will be forthcoming on your part.
I base the "more than half" on the 37% maximum vote he ever got, and that was sliding. It's hard to evaluate such a fluid situation as Ukraine was, before the invasion, where the Communist parties were already banned. In Russia, the Communist Party is Putin's largest opposition with almost 40%. I bet it's nearly that, in any reality on the subject, in Ukraine. A lot of people won't vote because they don't want to attract the hate of avid activists one way or another.
There appear to be a few more substantial parties affiliated with strong financial or name-recognition parties without much ideological baggage. Most of these joined with Zelensky in hopes of having a government they could buy.
It appears that it was left-wing small parties after OPFL. Various sorts of Communist activists aroused against the NAZI trend. You can find a lot of communist jparties around the world talking about that. Pretty brave voters. Probably 10 to 1 in that realm decided not to vote because of human rights insecurities in Ukraine.
Has been standard Ukraine reality for years, actually. A few prevailing political honchos owned some stations, and had lots of support in politics derived from influence peddling. After 2014 some were charged with treason and their stations shut down. Some survived for a few more years, and now Zelensky has shut them down too;.
Don't dig to deep trying to make Zelensky a pure little lily. He's been bought now, and he will do worse than anyone has in recent Ukraine history. this is no great freedom fest.
Like I've said many times, I equate Putin with our own Bush dynasty and affiliates nominally agreeable with the mainstream here, the David Rockefeller set. Maybe now in contest but with more Chinese-influenced players. Corrupt leaders all. Obama and Biden maybe the worst of all.