The *OFFICIAL* Russia Is About To Invade Ukraine Thread

[LogGrad98]

Hear me out. What would happen negatively to the US if russia invaded ukraine and china invaded taiwan and the US just stayed out of it and let it happen?


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It could affect a lot of rich people's ties to Russian oil and other businesses and such. The Bidens might have something to say about that. Gotta protect personal wealth at all costs, society be damned.

 

[Gameface]

Hear me out. What would happen negatively to the US if russia invaded ukraine and china invaded taiwan and the US just stayed out of it and let it happen?


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I completely get your point and I don't think that for you and me anything changes.

The thing I think about, though, is that Ukrainians don't want to be part of Russia and the Taiwanese don't want to be part of China. The U.S. has relationships with these countries and we are the only ones really able to protect them.

Since WWII NATO and the UN have essentially told the world that you're not allowed to invade your neighbors just because you can. If the rules have changed then it can very possibly go far beyond Ukraine and Taiwan.

 

[TheGoldStandard]

Hear me out. What would happen negatively to the US if russia invaded ukraine and china invaded taiwan and the US just stayed out of it and let it happen?


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For good or bad, we have made commitments to protect our allies. If we stop honoring those commitments, it erodes the trust of our other allies.

We have made our bed of being a protector and the good (stability, etc.) and the bad (some see us as tyrants, which can lead to terrorist attacks, there are huge monetary costs to create "more stability" (not sure that reall works long-term, etc.).

I actually think China and Russia going to war could have some positive ramifications. We want other superpowers meddling so we aren't the only country to hate.

I'd love to see the U.S. take a step back in meddling in world affairs.

 

[babe]

Hear me out. What would happen negatively to the US if russia invaded ukraine and china invaded taiwan and the US just stayed out of it and let it happen?


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UN-based strategists believe in balancing power centers according to the global ideal of stronger cartels, business monopolies, lower wages, and less technology because they believe resources are fundamentally limiting and the world needs fewer people. With limited tools to arrange world afairs, there need to be some pandemics and some wars.

The loss of either or both Ukraine and Taiwan or South Korea even, and say even Iran and North Korea just makes it harder to balance the super powers, and the global management gets dicey. But a few more wars and oh a million dead, that would help a lot, and it would grow the military industries many politicians rely on for campaign doh..... and that could be pretty good.

Soros makes a living off of political instability. He's a sort of political pump and dump corollary to the stock market IPO and junk bond players. He lays down his money and then sends out his mercenary operators to make it happen.

 

[babe]

For good or bad, we have made commitments to protect our allies. If we stop honoring those commitments, it erodes the trust of our other allies.

We have made our bed of being a protector and the good (stability, etc.) and the bad (some see us as tyrants, which can lead to terrorist attacks, there are huge monetary costs to create "more stability" (not sure that reall works long-term, etc.).

I actually think China and Russia going to war could have some positive ramifications. We want other superpowers meddling so we aren't the only country to hate.

I'd love to see the U.S. take a step back in meddling in world affairs.

William J. Fulbright developed this concept and wrote a book about the US/UK commonwealth overbearing methods generating pushback eventually. HIs book was "Arrogance of Power". That's basically the idea behind jputting China up front in the global stage. We have bveen buillding up China the way we built up Germany prior to WWII.

We are likely going to instigate in a reverse-psychology or "reverse-political" manner some wars using Russia and China as "The bad guys" in world politics. But we have to have the power to balance it all out and keep control.

I'll be speaking on "The UN tool box for global governance" in a big conference in Botswanna next month. See you there.

 

[Avery]

Nothing like a new international conflict to bring us back to the harsh reality of American politics.

 

[Gameface]

Nothing like a new international conflict to bring us back to the harsh reality of American politics.

An international conflict is just what Biden's approval ratings need right now.

 

[JazzGal]

An international conflict is just what Biden's approval ratings need right now.

I really hate that it takes wars to make a president popular. Apparently we need a common enemy instead of each other. People are awful.

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[leftyjace]

Hear me out (since you heard fish out).

Protecting our allies is one thing. Being the world's police force is another.
Ukraine is weak - but why? They have people, they have resources. Why aren't they stronger militarily, especially with a neighbor like Russia?
Taiwan... well, that's just rough.

We need to get Russia and China really hating each other. Fighting each other would be ideal. Get the two bullies in the neighborhood to pay attention to each other.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

Hear me out. What would happen negatively to the US if russia invaded ukraine and china invaded taiwan and the US just stayed out of it and let it happen?

Then the next US President inherits a much more complicated world.

There would be both economic and military shocks if China were to take Taiwan but it has a feeling of inevitability.

I don't see Russia taking the Ukraine. It is possible they may take a chunk near the border but even that isn't super likely. If Russia did roll in, expect things to get really tense between the US and Germany. Russia has an economy that is smaller than Italy and relies heavily on the export of natural gas to finance their government. They supply 30% of all the natural gas used in Europe. Germany is Russia's biggest customer and Russia built a pipeline directly to them called Nord Stream 2. Germany needs the gas and Russia needs to sell the gas. The United States forced Germany to put in writing in the treaty allowing the Nord Stream 2 pipeline that the pipeline would be shut down if Russia invaded Ukraine. I doubt the invasion would be more than 5 minutes old before we were on the phone to Germany to force them to make good on their promise even though they desperately would not want to do so.

 

[babe]

Hear me out (since you heard fish out).

Protecting our allies is one thing. Being the world's police force is another.
Ukraine is weak - but why? They have people, they have resources. Why aren't they stronger militarily, especially with a neighbor like Russia?
Taiwan... well, that's just rough.

We need to get Russia and China really hating each other. Fighting each other would be ideal. Get the two bullies in the neighborhood to pay attention to each other.

There was a treaty between the US and Russia that the Ukraine would be neutral and non-military, and no a member of NATO. Russia would not have agreed to that except they figured the Ukraine would (wink wink) be in their pocket. We got the nukes removed, and that's the price we paid. Ukraine has had pro-Russian governance generally until 2013. When we stood by and let some European thugs aligned with the remnants of Hitler, under George Soros' financing, do the coup in U kraine, we effectively broke that promise. It became the obvious goal to get Ukraine into NATO. We broke our promise to Russia.

I had some hope for real independence in Ukraine, but Joe Biden stopped the reform movement and allowed corrupt interests to go unprosecuted. Trump needed Zelensky's help, and would have helped that dreform under non-aligned Zelensky, a political outsider with sincere
We would do well to honor our word to the Russians, nix the Ukraine NATO deal, and help with the reform politics that's trying

 

[babe]

Then the next US President inherits a much more complicated world.

There would be both economic and military shocks if China were to take Taiwan but it has a feeling of inevitability.

I don't see Russia taking the Ukraine. It is possible they may take a chunk near the border but even that isn't super likely. If Russia did roll in, expect things to get really tense between the US and Germany. Russia has an economy that is smaller than Italy and relies heavily on the export of natural gas to finance their government. They supply 30% of all the natural gas used in Europe. Germany is Russia's biggest customer and Russia built a pipeline directly to them called Nord Stream 2. Germany needs the gas and Russia needs to sell the gas. The United States forced Germany to put in writing in the treaty allowing the Nord Stream 2 pipeline that the pipeline would be shut down if Russia invaded Ukraine. I doubt the invasion would be more than 5 minutes old before we were on the phone to Germany to force them to make good on their promise even though they desperately would not want to do so.

you seem to know more about this than I do.

If we are very worried about China, we should build better relations with Russia. Putin lived for years in Germany, and I see German-Russian alliance as something they will have. Pretty damn sure Germany isn't gonna shut down that pipeline no matter what.