The official: The OKC Thunder shop is open!

[fishonjazz]

Uhh, wut? It did not. They traded Mitchell because the value was insane.

Seemed like there was a lot of talk of trading Mitchell before the cavs offer. I got the impression that we were looking to trade Donovan. Not that we weren't looking to and the cavs just called up with an amazing offer and so we then decided to trade him.


Sent from my CPH2451 using Tapatalk

 

[fishonjazz]

I also don't assume we'll trade for an Ant, Luka or Giannis caliber guy. But Durant has been traded. Joel Embiid may be getting antsy. Devin Booker is almost certainly on the move. Jimmy Butler, Paul George, SGA, Damian Lillard, Anthony Davis, Kawhi Leonard, Donovan Mitchell, and Jrue Holiday have all been traded in recent years with multiple "prime" years left.

SGA doesn't belong with those other guys. He wasn't a star with he was traded

Sent from my CPH2451 using Tapatalk

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

What did I say that was moronic? After trading Gobert we were not going to keep Mitchell. Of course you had to say something stupid like would you trade him for a single pick as if that would ever be the best offer for a 25yr old Mitchell with 3 more years on his contract. Just a stupid thing to say but you do that a lot.

They traded Mitchell because they got a great offer. If they didnt get a great offer, they would have held onto him until they got a great offer. Point blank period.

 

[sip]

I don't necessarily disagree with your thought process. If we whiff on building a playoff competitive roster this offseason, and he decides not to accept a 4-year extension, it makes a lot of sense to sell high on Lauri.

I also don't assume we'll trade for an Ant, Luka or Giannis caliber guy. But Durant has been traded. Joel Embiid may be getting antsy. Devin Booker is almost certainly on the move. Jimmy Butler, Paul George, SGA, Damian Lillard, Anthony Davis, Kawhi Leonard, Donovan Mitchell, and Jrue Holiday have all been traded in recent years with multiple "prime" years left.

IMO, it all comes down to guaranteed years of team control we could get for a guy like that in a trade, but if Lauri re-signs, I'm personally willing to wait another ~1-2 years for the right cornerstone piece to come along. Pending OKC's moves, we'd be in the catbird seat given how many picks we could give up.

I don't hate the full-blown rebuild. It's fun to watch young guys develop and daydream about lotto balls bouncing your way for generational guys. But it can also be a recipe to suck for years, and years, and years.

I would say it is highly unlikely that Booker is on the move unless it is to the nets for their picks back. I wouldn't touch Embiid with the 10 foot pole with his age and continued injury history. The most likely so called 1 to be moved is Trae Young and I don't really have any interest in him. When you look around the rest of the league the players that are stars or look like they are about to take that next step are in really good spots or still on rookie contracts so their current teams won't feel any pressure to move them for a while. I wouldn't predict any chaos with guys that we would actually be interest in for at least the next couple years. The most likely one would be Zion but if he hits the market then it's probably because his injuries have been an issue again. I think we probably see a bunch of these older guys at the end of their primes moved over the next few years but I have no interest in them.

 

[sip]

SGA doesn't belong with those other guys. He wasn't a star with he was traded

Sent from my CPH2451 using Tapatalk

Same goes for Jrue.

 

[sip]

They traded Mitchell because they got a great offer. If they didnt get a great offer, they would have held onto him until they got a great offer. Point blank period.

They were never not going to get a great offer for him. POINT BLANK PERIOD!

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

They were never not going to get a great offer for him. POINT BLANK PERIOD!

For the longest time they didnt so they didnt trade him until they got the offer they were looking for. You say things that have no basis in reality, like your draft takes thinking everyone will be a rotation player!

 

[framer]

I think there is is a universe where we traded Mitchell but not Gobert if not for the overwhelming offer from Minny. Mitchell was getting traded regardless. We were all fixated on the Knicks, but I'll bet there were other offers besides the Knicks and the Cavs.

That being said, it is impossible to tank with a healthy Gobert, so we probably would have just added the Cleveland stuff and tried to compete. We probably make the playoffs pretty easily with Gobert, Lauri, Conley, and Sexton.

 

[sip]

For the longest time they didnt so they didnt trade him until they got the offer they were looking for. You say things that have no basis in reality, like your draft takes thinking everyone will be a rotation player!

The dumb takes continue.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

The dumb takes continue.

So why did they hold onto Conley instead of just trading him for w/e?

 

[The Jazz Wonderbra]

Really not a fan of trading Lauri in any way, shape or form, unless he firmly tells us he will not re-sign.

7 foot guys who shoot 50/40/90 (ish) are just really hard to find. He is a perfect complimentary piece to a true, #1, star option, which we have the assets to acquire should one become available.

IMO, that should remain the focus.

That's a really solid argument.

It's also the reality of this conversation.

Building around Lauri = Really good option
Trading Lauri for another Haul = Potentially an amazing option

It's nice to have a Lauri on the squad either way. Can we get some more Lauri's please?

 

[bigmike]

That's a really solid argument.

It's also the reality of this conversation.

Building around Lauri = Really good option
Trading Lauri for another Haul = Potentially an amazing option

It's nice to have a Lauri on the squad either way. Can we get some more Lauri's please?

Everyone seems aligned on the following:

1) Lauri is really damn good
2) Lauri is not a true #1 on a contending team, and the priority should be to acquire that player

Perhaps it it comes down to, do we think more likely to get that guy via 1) the full-tank strategy + 10000 picks, or 2) trading our current draft capital for that guy?

I'd rather wait and see if we can get that guy via trade before we punt on Lauri but I'm not dogmatic about it. If we can't, then yes, perhaps we should move on from him and get whatever haul we can.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Why does everyone think Lauri is going to demand a trade? If the Jazz trade Lauri, it's to a team that is going to view him as a 3rd, maybe 4th option (in the case of OKC). Why would he want that if he has any ambition for his career? He can be the star in Utah on a team that has an excellent coach, an elite GM, and a ton of assets. I get the Utah thing isnt for most players, but he's from Finland. I would imagine Utah is more like Finland than most NBA cities.

I get it sucks that his career is kind of put on pause as far as winning. He's been dealt a ****** hand in that regard, but I don't think he's that impatient.

 

[fishonjazz]

So why did they hold onto Conley instead of just trading him for w/e?

Conley is much harder to trade and less sought after than Mitchell

Sent from my CPH2451 using Tapatalk

 

[fishonjazz]

Why does everyone think Lauri is going to demand a trade?.

Have people been saying that?

I have seen a lot of posters discussing trading Lauri because it helps with tanking for a top pick but haven't seen much if anything about him demanding a trade

Sent from my CPH2451 using Tapatalk

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Conley is much harder to trade and less sought after than Mitchell

Sent from my CPH2451 using Tapatalk

Uhh, the Jazz could have easily dumped Conley to a number of teams....

Try again. (Or dont, because there isnt a rebuttal)

 

[fishonjazz]

Uhh, the Jazz could have easily dumped Conley to a number of teams....

Try again. (Or dont, because there isnt a rebuttal)

No one said the jazz were trying to "dump" Mitchell. Your straw man is lame and ineffective.

Sent from my CPH2451 using Tapatalk

 

[JimLes]

I just hate the way some(seems like most) people are. We trade away two big stars and go into a rebuild hoping that the picks we have received, most of which we actually don't receive for years, will hopefully eventually turn into some young, talented players with potential. When we actually luck out and some of the players thrown into the deals as salary makeweights actually turn out to fit the above description, people wanna trade them away. Hell, some people are upset that we got those players in the first place, seemingly wishing we had not gotten any good players in those deals as they are now apparently preventing us from sucking as hard as these people want us to suck.

And all I can do is shake my head and ask myself what the **** is wrong with so many of you? You want us to suck so badly that you're not going to be happy until the Jazz basically trot out the Stars starting five out there and then do that for half a decade? And for what? A 14% chance that we draft some goofy-looking, white trash kid from Maine who will one day consider himself lucky if his best season is as good as the two seasons Lauri Markkanen just had?

Impulse control and long term planning of a Peter Griffin. That's what all this sounds like.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

No one said the jazz were trying to "dump" Mitchell. Your straw man is lame and ineffective.

Sent from my CPH2451 using Tapatalk

Brother you must have trouble reading.

The point is that DA has a price in mind. He isnt going to trade a guy just to make the team worse if a team isnt meeting that price. We have plenty of proof of this to this point.

 

[fishonjazz]

Brother you must have trouble reading.

The point is that DA has a price in mind. He isnt going to trade a guy just to make the team worse if a team isnt meeting that price. We have plenty of proof of this to this point.

No the discussion was whether the jazz were looking to trade Donovan or they just traded Donovan because the cavs called and offered what they offered.

I think Donovan was on the trade block. I think ainge wanted to get as much as he could for Donovan. I think cavs offered the most and ainge took it. I think that if the cavs didn't offer what they did then we would have took a different offer from someone else. Donovan was not part of the jazz future.

Sent from my CPH2451 using Tapatalk