The Ringer: The Nuggets and Jazz Are Ready to Make Their Cases As Contenders

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  1. NAOS

    NAOS Well-Known Member

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    The thread isn’t full of crap if it happens to contain several answers to your query. You can make demands on me if you want—that’s cool—but it has nothing to do with the Utah Jazz and their situation.

    Glen Robinson III generated a lot of discussion, and was acquired pretty damn cheaply
     
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  2. infection

    infection Well-Known Member Staff Member 2019 Award Winner 2018 Award Winner

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    I will never understand the assumption that because we didn’t makes moves, then that means there were no moves to be made. I mean, I don’t expect home runs like Exum for Clarkson, but just to use that as an example, if the FO persisted in their irrational hope for Dante and said no, we would never know about it, and we’d be saying that no moves could be made.

    Granted, there’s very little insight we get on the outside looking in, but if you listen to things like John Hollinger interview about his time as an executive around the trade deadline, he details the level of activity they have in conversation. You could certainly say that the Jazz FO’s public statements are their poker face, but when they consistently talk about waiting by the phone, and all actions seems to back that up, it makes for a pretty reasonable argument that we are certainly on the much less active end of the league spectrum.
     
  3. sgjazzfan

    sgjazzfan Well-Known Member

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    It was a cost cutting move for GS. Would Jazz have been able to trade without giving Salary back?
     
  4. NUMBERICA

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    Atlanta could’ve been a scenario. New York (they’re trying to have cap in 2021 and this wouldn’t get in the way, they’re also short ‘good guys.’). Portland and Brooklyn could be others. There are a million ways to get to between ~$1 million and $7 million in matching salary.
     
  5. sgjazzfan

    sgjazzfan Well-Known Member

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    And the question is, was there a guy that a team was willing to move, that makes the Jazz significantly better, that was worth giving up their young players that they are developing to reach that salary. I don't know. I don't get to see Brantley, Oni, NWG, Morgan, Tucker to match salaries with. Bradley took 3 years, but he's a valuable role player right now (much better than Davis). Morgan is starting to see some time in certain situations as well.

    There may have been some scenarios where Jazz could have made a trade to get marginally better this year, but unless you get someone that can play PF/C, then there aren't many minutes for them. They already have Mudiay at G on the bench getting DNP's.

    The point is this. Jazz made a move this year, they got Clarkson. It may end up being the best in season trade for any playoff team. It would have been nice to get someone, but its hard to see where there was an obvious move to be made right now given their lack of assets.
     
  6. NUMBERICA

    NUMBERICA Well-Known Member

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    Who said anything about getting other team’s young players?

    The only thing I really was asking for was Ed Davis’ salary off the books for next year and an opportunity to open a roster spot this year and next.
     
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  7. sgjazzfan

    sgjazzfan Well-Known Member

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    Sorry, I misread. I think Davis' contract next year made that too difficult. His salary next year won't be an issue. They will be able to sign Clarkson with Bird rights and will have the full MLE I believe. If they had someone in mind, they could buy out or simply cut Davis.
     
  8. NUMBERICA

    NUMBERICA Well-Known Member

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    Davis’ money is guaranteed next year and would likely make the Jazz choose between being under the luxury tax or using the full MLE. Davis’ money isn’t much, but it’s big enough to be a big problem in the context of the Jazz.

    To be clear, I assume it would take an asset to get off his money (which, again, for numerous other teams would not be problematic salary).

    I’m hoping the Jazz can work some magic in the offseason regarding this but it’d sure be nice to have that peace of mind now and that roster spot (or an actual NBA player) now.
     
  9. sgjazzfan

    sgjazzfan Well-Known Member

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    We'll see what they do. I feel pretty confident that Davis won't be on the Jazz roster this time next season though.
     
  10. NAOS

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    Check out the thread, dude.
     
  11. sgjazzfan

    sgjazzfan Well-Known Member

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    Can you at least point out which thread and where in thread and where in the thread it talks about this. I'm not going through the 135 page thread about the trade deadline.
     
  12. NUMBERICA

    NUMBERICA Well-Known Member

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    The most recent pages.

    Also, just about anything @Handlogten's Heros suggests is merited.
     
  13. latin jazz

    latin jazz Well-Known Member

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    It was. But our defense overall has been really iffy during the losing streak (and in some sequences during the most recent wins). Bogie, Ingles and even Royce have had some rough nights on D.
     
  14. Jingled

    Jingled Well-Known Member 2019 Award Winner

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    Donovan's had his share of struggles on D as well, and Conley hasn't exactly been great either. Pretty much all of our perimeter defenders have been struggling.
     
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  15. latin jazz

    latin jazz Well-Known Member

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    Yup. I think Conley was very good against Houston and overall solid since coming back: hasn't been great but at least he has stayed disciplined on defense. Also, to be fair, he is usually getting the easiest assignment on D. Donovan have had his ups on downs, losing focus in several stretches (just like in offense). I didn't even mention Niang because I thought it was pretty obvious.

    Thanks for adding to the discussion
     
  16. gomretat

    gomretat Well-Known Member

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    Yup. There were no options. Have no idea how folks could be disappointed.
     
  17. gomretat

    gomretat Well-Known Member

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    If only trades could be done by one team without the other team having any input.
     

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