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The Stretch 4 Discussion Thread

One Brow said:
One player who doesn't care about defense is enough to wreck any system and any team, even when you have Gobert. I don't know if Parker does not care, but we can't just add a defensive zero and expect to keep an elite defense.
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I mean if he doesn't care then **** him.

But just putting in effort with his size in our system would be enough. And obviously you only sign him if you're confident that he will give you that effort.
 
Bawse Dawg said:
Man people really hate Parker. Off injury he still put up a 17 PER with a 53% eFG. You want a stretch four and he's literally the perfect skillset, and a free agent who might actually come here.

Yea, it's a risk but so is trading assets for Tobias Harris, and we have no clue if that's even a realistic option. Parker has already averaged 20 points a game in a season, 22 years old, and he puts up decent numbers in a ****** system, with Joe ****ing Prunty coaching him. If DL and Quin meet with him, and are impressed and really think that he is ready to take the next step in his career and wants to be part of a team where he fits in. Man, I think it could be a homerun. I think it's the highest upside move, and not even the potential worst possible move. Because at worst he only costs us cap space.

38% percent three point shooter on 4 attempts a game. And his defense would look much better in our system with Rudy covering his ***. Man, he'd open up our offense so much...
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I get that but its a big swing we don't need to take. The risk is too high imo. He will make $15M per year or more imo... has injury issues, attitude issues, defensive issues, and he is not this offensive force we make him out to be... he's been inconsistent with his shot throughout his career.

If it was a D Favs sign and trade and he made $15 per year I could get on board... I think he makes more than that and stays in Milwaukee (Freak says he wants him back). I think a Brooklyn, Sacramento, Dallas, or Chicago could roll out $20M for him and I would be terrified of that.
 
Bawse Dawg said:
I mean if he doesn't care then **** him.

But just putting in effort with his size in our system would be enough. And obviously you only sign him if you're confident that he will give you that effort.
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Put him on our team during the Houston series... how many times does he end up guarding CP and Harden on a switch? A guy like that could neuter our whole identity.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I get that but its a big swing we don't need to take. The risk is too high imo. He will make $15M per year or more imo... has injury issues, attitude issues, defensive issues, and he is not this offensive force we make him out to be... he's been inconsistent with his shot throughout his career.

If it was a D Favs sign and trade and he made $15 per year I could get on board... I think he makes more than that and stays in Milwaukee (Freak says he wants him back). I think a Brooklyn, Sacramento, Dallas, or Chicago could roll out $20M for him and I would be terrified of that.
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Inconsistency and a step slow on defense sounds like a dude with an injury history who can get better. This will be his first non rehab offseason in awhile. $15 million really isn't that much (I expected him to cost more).

A swing we don't need to take? Fair enough, but if we are taking a swing. Potentially unlocking the offense with this piece for $15 million or running it back with Favors for $15-$20million. One move has much more upside.
 
Bawse Dawg said:
Inconsistency and a step slow on defense sounds like a dude with an injury history who can get better. This will be his first non rehab offseason in awhile. $15 million really isn't that much (I expected him to cost more).

A swing we don't need to take? Fair enough, but if we are taking a swing. Potentially unlocking the offense with this piece for $15 million or running it back with Favors for $15-$20million. One move has much more upside.
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He had defensive concerns before the injuries... I mean he could figure it out, and he could stay healthy, and he could be worth the contract he will be given, and he might not have attitude concerns (said some Rodney Hood like things). It's too many ifs.

I think he gets more than $15M but was trying to find the highest number I'd be cool with.
 
I also wouldn't offer Favs a multiyear deal at 15-20M... we need to stay flexible imo.
 
I'm fully in camp "Trust DL" and nothing I say matters.

But I remember me and a few others were excited about Rubio while a bunch of other were complaining.

IF it happens, I'm just trying to lay out the argument for why it's not a bad move while everyone, who is obviously so much smarter than DL, complains about it.
 
Favors has been monstrous in big games the last two years but imo, we simply can not offer him more than a two year deal. Dude's had three years to work on his three point shot and has improved it at a turtle's pace. I'm down for keeping him but only at something like 2/16. If he can get more on the open market, let him. But we need not tie up significant cap room on a guy who's always banged up and who Quin really wants coming off the bench in an ideal world (where we have a strong, starting stretch 4) anyway. My only caveat to this is if he's willing to take like 4/30 @ 9, 8, 7, 6. Then, sure, do 4 years.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
Favors has been monstrous in big games the last two years but imo, we simply can not offer him more than a two year deal. Dude's had three years to work on his three point shot and has improved it at a turtle's pace. I'm down for keeping him but only at something like 2/16. If he can get more on the open market, let him. But we need not tie up significant cap room on a guy who's always banged up and who Quin really wants coming off the bench in an ideal world (where we have a strong, starting stretch 4) anyway. My only caveat to this is if he's willing to take like 4/30. Then, sure, do 4 years.
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2/16 won't get it done... I'd do one year at $15M and a second year team option... he makes a lot and then gets another shot at FA when there are more teams with money.
 
I think Anthony Tolliver is the best blend of cost and effectiveness for us... props to Cy for the suggestion.

47% on wide open catch and shoot threes this year. 40%+ on open ones (he can get them off quicker than Thabo and Jonas who only get off the wide open shots). So he has true gravity.

If we need a defender stretch 4 - Thabo, a creator stretch 4 - Jae, a straight cash stretch 4 Anthony. He will be cheaper than most other options. He's a stop gap, but not a lot of great value options on the market... not many I like in the draft. Gives us some variety.

He shoots threes at the same rate as Klay and makes them at the same percentage. Just being on the court will keep things spread for DM and Rudy.
 
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