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The unrepentant Rudy Gobert support thread

themanknownassting said:
Comparing Gobert to Malone and Stockton is blasphemous. You would never see them take nights off or play half *** cause they weren’t getting the ball. I love Rudy as much as the next guy. But he needs to grow up and realize the team won’t win anything unless he buys into the “team” and not his individual stats.
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To be fair, we would never know if they would take nights off if they weren't getting the ball. They always got the ball

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Wes Mantooth said:
Again, Ricky shot 40% from 3 for the last 50ish games. They hoped his non-shooting days were in the past. As we all did.
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That was obvious fools gold though since he wasn't being guarded and it was low volume

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fishonjazz said:
That was obvious fools gold though since he wasn't being guarded and it was low volume

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We also had a lot of evidence that having a 4 that could shoot really turbocharged our lineups... Jae didn’t even shoot well. Never made the adjustment. I think we could live with Ricky’s 34% on three if you had Bojan at the 4.

I just think they idea that we needed a traditional ball dominant point guard was dumb. Hill was super effective in the role and he’s not a “playmaker” in a traditional sense. Ricky at least had size and decent defense (though some nights he’d get blown by too much). I had hoped Conley would be a superior version of Hill but it’s clear that ain’t his game.

Conleys best role with this team would be super sub... that’s a role filled by The JC now. We can fill pg with a combo of Ingles/DM/ and maybe some backup on a cheap deal. I’d move Mike if we can get something half way decent in part because it seems like we are reconfiguring things to make that work... rather than just doing things that make the team better.

Please Mike play like a man on fire in Orlando and make me eat these words.
 
I feel like Rudy is loyal to this organization and is fine with staying. All the front office needs to do is surround him with a good team who gives effort and give him the ball from time to time and he's happy.
 
There are a number of posts I wanted to respond to, but there have been some consistent themes, so I will just address this in bulk:

There's the argument of Rudy checking out and/or demanding touches. The reason I was originally going to bring up AK is because I could see this being used as a parallel, though I would vehemently reject this. When AK was complaining about touches, we had an elite offense and Deron, Boozer, and Okur and are significantly much better offensively than him. When he was complaining about touches, it was for his own personal gain because we were winning and what we needed from him were all the other things. We already had a good offense. When Rudy is complaining about touches, my own bias fundamentally believes that this is not simply about Rudy "getting his" but because our offense was ****. Like, despite all our talent, we were nearly historically bad in how inefficient we could be for very, very long stretches. When Rudy was complaining about touches, I see this more than something that was only hurting Rudy, but more that it was actually costing us as a team. We were missing Rudy right under the basket for the most efficient shot possible. The guy who broke the dunk record last year. We replaced that with a lot of floaters, contested shots, force-ups, and hero ball. This wasn't about Rudy wanting to score 20 per night (on the flip side, it was about everyone else wanting to score 20 per night!). AK was complaining about touches in an offense that was working. Gobert is complaining about not being fed the ball for easy baskets in an offense that is sucking serious *** and dropping many games in the most unacceptable fashions.

Then there's the effort part the past couple months. I'm not one to make excuses. But when we put this in context, we've been asking for, and have gotten accustomed to, ungodly defensive performances from Rudy. That's the bar. He wasn't consistently providing that the past couple months. That's obvious. But he wasn't terrible. He just wasn't ungodly. The most important thing is that, despite not giving the ungodly effort, he still gave significantly more effort defensively than anyone on the team! But this became magnified as he wasn't able to clean up everyone else's mess as efficiently as we had just come to expect. So when we say he didn't give effort, we're only comparing him against himself. Donovan started the season with really good defensive effort. For the rest of the season, his defensive effort was dog ****. We don't call him on this because we aren't accustomed to him performing that well, as we are for Rudy.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
He short 3.5 attempts per game that year. And I think more like 4.0 attempts during that good stretch. I wouldn’t say that was low volume.
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That's not low volume for a high minute ball dominant point guard back in the 80's and 90's. I agree with that.

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