This made me kinda sad today...

[Alfalfa]

this might be unpopular! but here goes
that is wrong! did the guy wearing the nazi armband use violence?
it is never ok to use violence unless violence is used first. because you dont have all the context!


what if you where at a play a stage play, you are playing a nazi on stage! so you are dressed like that. you get a phone call your house is on fire your kids or mother is in hospital. you rush out from backstage. go outside 2 guys approach you and start screaming at you you put your hand up like that to try and explain and you get punched! yes yes yes i know that did not happen in this particular incident! but that guy has every tight to wear a swastika. and wave a nazu flag. unless he iniate violence you leave him the **** alone!

the moment he raises his hand i am all for exterminating him with extreme prejduce. empty a revolver on him and reload 10 more times for a total of 60 bullets!


people on the internet and in news screaming maga hats are the new hoods, the new swastikas. seriously in america you can wear a white hood you can wear a swasitka on your arm you can fly a nazi flag. because you have that right. just as nation of islam can do their racist ****. what is not allowed is iniation of violence!

please yous your brain. yes personally i might punch a guy wearing nazi **** too if he caught me on a bad day. i am not perfect. but it will be a mistake!
you ar enot judge jury and exectuioner of every single instance

you migth not have the right context. so live and let live! and when violence is used answer with violence.

Wearing Nazi paraphernalia, and shouting Nazi slogans, in public is an act of violence, and it should be responded to with violence.

 

[One Brow]

You don't get a pass because your source lied to you. You get multiple sources. If you can't you don't run the story.

Which news outlet do you use?

 

[Gameface]

Apparently, you don't really have any idea how journalism works. If a person makes an allegation that puts someone in a negative light you ALWAYS get the story from the other person unless they refuse to talk, then you try to get the other side regardless. If I go on youtube and call someone a pedophile, is that newsworthy as long as I film them in front of a schoolyard?

What repercussions has Phillips had from lying? Not one news organization will take him to task? Why do you think that is? Because of all the newsroom diversity you keep touting?

I tried to find the earliest CNN story on this. The one I have is from the 20th, so not the first one, but anyway

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/21/us/nathan-phillips-maga-teens-interview/index.html

The interview was conducted Saturday after the video went viral. Since the interview, the diocese in charge of the school has denounced the students' actions, a lawmaker has defended them and the boy in the video, Nick Sandmann, has denied characterizations of his and his classmates' behavior and said he was simply standing in front of Phillips to let him know he wouldn't be baited into an altercation.

This is a story that was first published on the 19th. It has been updated (CNN continuously updates their online stories and doesn't always make clear what information was added/updated or otherwise changed) so I don't know if the part I quoted was in the original story.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/19/us/teens-mock-native-elder-trnd/index.html

"I was not intentionally making faces at the protester. I did smile at one point because I wanted him to know that I was not going to become angry, intimidated or be provoked into a larger confrontation. I am a faithful Christian and practicing Catholic, and I always try to live up to the ideals my faith teaches me -- to remain respectful of others, and to take no action that would lead to conflict or violence."
He cautioned against rushing to judgment based on the short time captured on the videos and encouraged people to watch longer clips available online, "as they show a much different story than is being portrayed by people with agendas," he said.
"I am mortified that so many people have come to believe something that did not happen -- that students from my school were chanting or acting in a racist fashion toward African-Americans or Native Americans. I did not do that, do not have hateful feelings in my heart, and did not witness any of my classmates doing that."

 

[Hotdog]

I answered "It's the same..." and you come back with "So, there are different..."?



No.

It's the same for everyone in the same circumstances. The advantages it provides can be enhanced or countered by other types of privilege.

No. Read your own post. Dont stop short of what you actually said.

You said "its the same for for everyone in the same circumstances". Not everyone has the same circumstances. You said "the advantages can be enhanced or countered".

Both of those statements unequivocally imply that the level of white privilege is different from person to person depending on their circumstances and depending on what advantages they have.

Please explain how Im wrongly Interpreting your statement.

 

[framer]

Which news outlet do you use?

Quite a few, but I evaluate mainly by reporters that I trust, that have earned my trust. I also try to get the primary source in context if possible and generally disregard reporting that doesn't include it. Crap like "Insiders say. . ." gets ignored. There are good reporters in most organizations, and crap reporters in all organizations. Good reporters I disagree with politically, and crap reporters that I might agree with politically.

Generally, I can wait 48 hours until I go to JazzFanz or Facebook to tell anyone about the new worst thing ever. Every once in a while, I get taken too, despite my efforts.

If you accept journalism uncritically, especially if it confirms everything you have ever believed, you will get taken.

 

[framer]

I tried to find the earliest CNN story on this. The one I have is from the 20th, so not the first one, but anyway

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/21/us/nathan-phillips-maga-teens-interview/index.html



This is a story that was first published on the 19th. It has been updated (CNN continuously updates their online stories and doesn't always make clear what information was added/updated or otherwise changed) so I don't know if the part I quoted was in the original story.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/19/us/teens-mock-native-elder-trnd/index.html

This was ninja edited-in later. CNN is noted for doing this. It is standard practice for them now and was on full display during the Kavanagh hearings.

 

[infection]

It's not just a chaperone problem, but that's no reason to not fault the chaperone as well.

And if you read my post, I don't necessarily challenge that. What I do challenge is that out of all this situation, that's a big focus? If the altered situation played out that I suggested, would you be on here talking about the chaperone? Would you view talking about the chaperone as a distraction from the issue, and perhaps even aiding victim blaming?

If I'm the chaperone in that situation, I get the kids out of there before the white nationalists start using their fists.

Yes, if you were the chaperone. But if you're the guy on JFC talking about what happened, are you concerned about the chaperone's failures, or would that be a convenient way to try to avoid acknowledging the much, much larger issue of the white nationalists' behavior? I could be way off base, but I don't think you get past the white nationalists long enough to register any beef with the chaperones.

 

[Gameface]

This was ninja edited-in later. CNN is noted for doing this. It is standard practice for them now and was on full display during the Kavanagh hearings.

Do you know that that part was added or not? You have made an unsubstantiated assertion in almost every post in this thread.

And in regard to journalists, name your top 3 or 5.

 

[framer]

Do you know that that part was added or not? You have made an unsubstantiated assertion in almost every post in this thread.

And in regard to journalists, name your top 3 or 5.

I like Seung Min Kim, Jamie Dupree, and most of time, Jake Tapper. Kim and Dupree are super solid.

 

[framer]

I like Seung Min Kim, Jamie Dupree, and most of time, Jake Tapper. Kim and Dupree are super solid.

Ninja edit- Kim and Dupree are also really good follows on Twitter. Just facts and minimal analysis other than to place events in context. They mostly cover Congress.

 

[One Brow]

No. Read your own post. Dont stop short of what you actually said.

You said "its the same for for everyone in the same circumstances". Not everyone has the same circumstances. You said "the advantages can be enhanced or countered".

Both of those statements unequivocally imply that the level of white privilege is different from person to person depending on their circumstances and depending on what advantages they have.

Please explain how Im wrongly Interpreting your statement.

Perhaps a metaphor will help. Every person who is 6' tall has different circumstances. These various circumstances can enhance or counter the advantages they receive from being 6' tall. They are still all 6' tall.

Now, if you had said the level of overall privilege is different from white person to white person, I would agree with that statement.

 

[Gameface]

Perhaps a metaphor will help. Every person who is 6' tall has different circumstances. These various circumstances can enhance or counter the advantages they receive from being 6' tall. They are still all 6' tall.

Now, if you had said the level of overall privilege is different from white person to white person, I would agree with that statement.

I was waiting for someone to mention "tall man privilege" because that's like a bonus multiplier for all other privileges.

There's a pretty sizable portion of women who would never date a man who wasn't at least 6' tall. Many of those same women would be offended if a guy said he'd never date a woman with less than a D cup.