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Time to get rid of the embarrassment that is Mike Lee

He's freakin LDS like all the politicians here -- Mormons vote for anyone who is LDS, simple as that. And he is pathetic, maybe even worse than Trump, a freakin weasel.
Last I checked guys like Mitt Romney, Jeff Flake, and Harry Reid have a lot of LDS people who do not or would not support them. Evan McMullin pulled in 21.5% of the presidential vote in 2016 despite ridiculous hype of him taking the state and having nobody get to 270 and having the vote kicked back to congress who amazingly will vote him into office. Non-Mormon Trump picked up more than double the votes. But I suppose you could argue (and I have) that you could pull out some unknown person like McMullin and gain that large of the vote, that it backs up your point, to a certain degree, but I feel the 2016 election and McMullin's candidacy was more a reflection of people's fear about not having "the appearance of good."
 
For their whole lives?
The dominant religion in Utah heavily influences the state’s culture. It’s one of the primary reasons why there have been so few women sent to DC and why the legislature has so few women in it. The very Family Proclamation has largely been interpreted to discourage women from working outside of the home.

Cmon man, I’ve lived in Utah for years, haven’t you? Utah absolutely is a patriarchal society and these women competing for the GOP nomination absolutely are going to face sexism. An issue that Mike Lee won’t have to deal with, giving him an advantage. I don’t see how this is even debatable.

It’s amazing to me to see how many Mormons don’t like talking about the culture their own church has created. Nearly two centuries of racist teachings has effects. Nearly two centuries is teaching gender roles has effects.

The legislature is 76 percent male despite the Utah population being 50 percent female.

In history Utah has had one female Governor (she wasn’t elected but took over once Gov Leavitt left to serve in Bush’s administration).

If a woman beats Lee, she could make history by becoming Utah’s first female Senator. Utah has only had 4 women serve in Congress. Only 16 other states haven’t ever had a woman serve as senator. Most share similar conservative cultures, like Utah.

You may ask, “Thrill aren’t you LDS?” Yes, I am. But the church’s history has some real dark spots and the culture that the church has created is very toxic. I like Utah’s geography and the weather is okay. But the politics and culture I find are pretty loathsome.

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Mike Lee is a "centrist". At CPAC Dallas he was visible following Ted Cruz around. Ted Cruz is a "centrist" too. Both are lawyers with notions of US Constitutional Supremacy. That is what being a "centrist" in the USA means. That is antithetical to extreme right wing "nationalist" or"racial" or"corporate" dominance of our politics, with an idea of rule of law that includes the US Constitution as most Americans expect. Trump is a "centrist": too. Most Union workers are "centrists" as well.

Marxists and Fascists are not "centrists". Used to be that the "Chamber of Commerce" sort of Republicans and the general pro-people Democrats were all centists.

People who want to overthrow this system and replace it with Communism however relabeled or reconceived, and Fascists who want to ditch the US Constitutional concepts of human rights in favor of a "better world" under centralized authoritarian rule are not "centrists".

However, it appears that the rhetoric is changing, always, under ideological or agenda pressures. I used the term "centrist" on Lee in an actually disparaging way because of his being influenced by today's (and the last 50 years') Waswhington DC establishment, by big bank interests, by big tech interests, and by CFR indoctrination, and by Chief Justice Roberts and other pretend conservatives. He's a globalist like the Bush club, and like the LDS Church.

These trends in thought do not absolutely refer to the US Constitution or the innate human individual rights once protected by the US Constitution.

I offer a better view of the world that is not a wholly-owned subsidiary of any cohesive "interests" financial or ideological. My grandfather despised Republicans as being owned by special interests/business, worked for the Democrats as the means of upholding citizen interests. Bill Clinton betrayed that kind of "Democrat" and sold out to the Rockefeller interests and plans.

Republicans generally the "Party of Lincoln" betrayed Lincoln's ideals within minutes of his assassination. While the "Democrats" are reputed to have been "pro-slavery" there was also a notion of federalism, meaning decentralized power with local governments having the highest possible power. Most of the the support for the south during the Civil War was manipulated by British interests into a po-slavery single issue, while in the North the same foreign intersts manipulated the abolitionist cause. The intent was to break up the United States and then limit growth westward by taking the Mississippi into British control, and break off the states one by one and reassert British management.

What did happen was a financial takeover by British finance and progressive ideology. The CFR today is very much compliant with British globalist interests. It's literally the modern British form of Empire.

Russia and China have some thoughts about asserting "better management" but largely, today's politicis is a qeuistion of who's gonna handle the British lion.

People like Cruz and Lee are stooges for the way things are. Trump is just accidentally more of old-time American democrat, being himself most of all. He is a direct threat to "the way things are" but he has found a very strong political base in American values largely held by common Americans.

The problem with Trump is he's his own man.
LOL, the problem with Trump is he is a complete idiot who is a pathological liar with no morals.
 
Evan McMullin jumping in as an independent candidate in the general is probably the best shot at ousting Mike Lee. McMullin is very centrist, not a Trump guy, and a reasonable and good candidate to take on Lee in the general as an independent:



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Evan McMullin jumping in as an independent candidate in the general is probably the best shot at ousting Mike Lee. McMullin is very centrist, not a Trump guy, and a reasonable and good candidate to take on Lee in the general as an independent:



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This will be an interesting race to watch. Which way will Utah Republicans go? Lee being in for another 6 years terrifies me.

And what's even sadder is that it is a given that a Democrat won't be in the discussion.
 
This will be an interesting race to watch. Which way will Utah Republicans go? Lee being in for another 6 years terrifies me.

And what's even sadder is that it is a given that a Democrat won't be in the discussion.
It depends. I’ll see where the polls are as the election approaches and vote Dem or for McMullin, whoever is closer to beating him. There is a path where McMullin takes enough of the Republican votes that it splits it giving the Dem a chance even if they only get 35-36% of the vote. Imagine a Dem getting 36%, Lee getting 35%, and McMullin getting 29%, or a combination of any of those numbers close to that. If McMullin can muster enough support he could seriously split the vote or win.
 
Evan McMullin jumping in as an independent candidate in the general is probably the best shot at ousting Mike Lee. McMullin is very centrist, not a Trump guy, and a reasonable and good candidate to take on Lee in the general as an independent:



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It's premature to say what will happen over the course of a year, but I think a lot of D's will vote McMullin simply because they want to thumb their nose at Lee. Between that and people who might be a bit more moderate, this could be a very interesting race.

I don't like Lee myself as he just seems like many politicians that are more interested in grandstanding than actually doing something (plus his platitudes towards Trump using LDS doctrine was just baffling). Kind of like how I feel about people such as AOC, Rand Paul, etc. - they'd rather just make the news then seemingly contribute much of the time IMO.
 
Lee lost me when he compared trump to Moroni


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This is actually very funny.

You have know something about Moroni. The little angel on the temple spire, sure. The trumpet. Did you notice that?

But the Lamanites won that war. Mormon and Moroni were the losers. They had to bury the book to prevent it from just being melted down for jewelry trinkets for squaws.

Mike Lee didn't think much before saying that, for sure.
 
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