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Tobias Harris wants to come to utah

Handlogten's Heros said:
Then you can say he can take a one year deal then we can max him next year... K, but he has to give up a **** ton of security to do so... injury risk is crazy to pass up like $100m.
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If the Jazz sign him to a one year deal they won't have his Bird rights. They will almost certainly be over the cap next year, so they would not at all be able to max him.
 
NUMBERICA said:
It is almost unbelievable that the Jazz are paying ~$27 million to two guys that can’t shoot the three, and are either perpetually injured or on permanent minutes restriction. The only thing more unbelievable than that is that these players have loyalists.

The Jazz need to waive Favors, and if there’s a way to let someone else take the reigns with the Dante Exum experiment that doesn’t cost a heavy amount of assets, the Jazz need to do that, too.

If they do that, they can make a reasonable pitch to Harris. If he doesn’t sign then; oh no, the Jazz are already dark horse contenders in what is likely to be a wide-open field and would have nearly $30 million to go shopping.
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Why the urgency to waive Favors? Jazz don't have to opt in until Jan 6th, IINM. Most free agents will have made their decisions in the first few days of free agency. That gives the plenty of time to talk to every free agent they have on Plans A-Z. And then clear dollars, if needed, by July 6th when new contracts can be officially submitted. If the Jazz strike out, Favors is a great piece to have, 1) as a player and 2) as an expiring contract at the deadline.

I'm frustrated, too, by Exum's injuries. But I don't think you can dump him without giving up an asset. Do you want the Jazz to burn another pick without knowing if they can get someone else who really moves the needle in free agency? Either Dante requires asset(s) to dump (if he never heals), or he comes back and contributes to the team or becomes at least a trade chip bringing a pick our way.

Top free agent (like Harris) wants to sign with Utah? Yes, you get an agreement on July 1st or 2nd and then start making the moves to clear cap. A few very good FA's want to sign? Evaluate against losing Favs and make those moves by July 5th.
 
colton said:
If the Jazz sign him to a one year deal they won't have his Bird rights. They will almost certainly be over the cap next year, so they would not at all be able to max him.
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I think you get non-bird rights and can sign them to either like 125% or 150% of the previous salary but can’t exceed the max.
 
RandyForRubio said:
Favors couldn't play with Gobert and Rubio bc 3/5 of our lineup couldn't shoot. Conley changes that, by a lot.

Obviously Harris fits better. I hope we can get him. I think it's pretty unrealistic, but it would be great if we could.

But anyways, Conley positively impacts everybody on the court. As much as I like Harris, he doesn't have the same impact, especially on defense.
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Let's not over do it. When Conley gets switched onto a taller player (nearly everyone!), they shoot over him uncontested. By RPM Conley is a -0.45 defender, Harris is in the positives (barely).
 
Jazz4ever said:
Let's not over do it. When Conley gets switched onto a taller player (nearly everyone!), they shoot over him uncontested. By RPM Conley is a -0.45 defender, Harris is in the positives (barely).
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Ya I mean Conley went from being a dude no one really talked about 2 years ago to the perfect player with no weaknesses that's going to fix everything about the offense and get us a top 2 seed.

The koolaid does taste good though.

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colton said:
Thanks, I didn't realize a one year form of Bird rights existed. I looked it up, it's 120% of the previous salary.
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So we sign him on a 1+1 for $28m/yr, then next year he gets $33.6M. As a perk, the Millers will allow him to open a car dealership.
 
Jazz4ever said:
Let's not over do it. When Conley gets switched onto a taller player (nearly everyone!), they shoot over him uncontested. By RPM Conley is a -0.45 defender, Harris is in the positives (barely).
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If you're going to use a stat like this, please do it properly. DRPM scores always average much lower for PGs. Conley is (barely) in the upper half of PGs by this measure, while Tobias sits at about the lower 1/3 of PFs (which is where he should be categorized).

I share some concern that Conley isn't the defender he's often made out to be, but relatively speaking this stat shows he's better than Tobias. You know who's really good though (both absolutely and relatively?): Favors.
 
NUMBERICA said:
It is almost unbelievable that the Jazz are paying ~$27 million to two guys that can’t shoot the three, and are either perpetually injured or on permanent minutes restriction. The only thing more unbelievable than that is that these players have loyalists.

The Jazz need to waive Favors, and if there’s a way to let someone else take the reigns with the Dante Exum experiment that doesn’t cost a heavy amount of assets, the Jazz need to do that, too.

If they do that, they can make a reasonable pitch to Harris. If he doesn’t sign then; oh no, the Jazz are already dark horse contenders in what is likely to be a wide-open field and would have nearly $30 million to go shopping.
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I’ve always considered myself a Favors loyalist, and even I know he needs to be gone.
fishonjazz said:
Ya I mean Conley went from being a dude no one really talked about 2 years ago to the perfect player with no weaknesses that's going to fix everything about the offense and get us a top 2 seed.

The koolaid does taste good though.

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Man, I’ll be happy if he can just get us off the 5th seed, then I can die a happy man.
 
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