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Originally Posted by Hopper View Post
Whatever, we've had 5 games this year, Thriller, and you treat those 5 games as though they define the entire career of the players involved.

Sweet. So if we're going off the first few games of the season then Drose has already proven Tom Nissalki's statement false. Just one week ago he had 39 points, 2 blocks, 2 steals, 7 assists, and 6 rebounds.

Deron is hardly the only player in this league that can have big games like he did tonight.
 
Exactly why I think bringing up Deron's ability to shoot from the outside isn't a very good argument. Westbrook, CP3, Rondo, and Rose can all make up for their lack of jumpers with quickness, playmaking ability, and the ability to get to the FT line. I'm not ready to declare Deron the #1 PG in the league just quite yet. He might be the most complete PG in the league.

but deron on top of his jumper also has that quickness, playmaking ability and ability to get to the FT line that the other rucas got knaw mean? also with rondo and rose's lack of shooting ability other teams have a much easier time crowding the paint making it more difficunt for their bigmen . rondo passes up on so many open jumpers and opposing pgs play like 10 feet off him bro.
i do think a healthy cp3 is better than a healthy dwill though
 
how about DPOY past 2 years in a row with no sign of slowing down this year and how about avging 14 rebounds per game for the past 2 ruca's

Exactly why I think bringing up Deron's ability to shoot from the outside isn't a very good argument. Even Magic couldn't shoot that great from the 3 point line but did things that others couldn't. Since Stockton had a better 3 point shot than Magic does that make him the better PG? Does Magic's ability to post up make him better than Stockton? Ultimately, what determines how much better a certain player is than another?

Westbrook, CP3, Rondo, and Rose can all make up for their lack of jumpers with quickness, playmaking ability, and the ability to get to the FT line. I'm not ready to declare Deron the #1 PG in the league just quite yet. He might be the most complete PG in the league. But not the best one, yet.
 
I seriously doubt that Nisalke said that only Deron can have "big games," but suit yourself.

Read the very first post of this thread and you'll read what he said.

But that's ok, suit yourself.
 
I really dont care...

I mean, the Jazz got the win and that's what's important to me. Not some garbage comparison, 4 or 5 games into the season. It's obvious this team is either needing time to gel or that it's missing a serious component to compete.

Like I said during the chat, this win was huge both for the teams psyche as well as for the teams chemistry.
 
I really dont care...

I mean, the Jazz got the win and that's what's important to me. Not some garbage comparison, 4 or 5 games into the season. It's obvious this team is either needing time to gel or that it's missing a serious component to compete.

Like I said during the chat, this win was huge both for the teams psyche as well as for the teams chemistry.

Two thoughts...

#1 Jefferson doesn't have nearly the hands or the jumper as Boozer or Memo.
#2 Our SG/SF situation is inconsistent. You never know when CJ is going to shoot 5-5 in 3's or airball 5 straight. Raja isn't as good as Wes or Brewer. Dropoff there....

those are the issues with our offense right there.
 
Read the very first post of this thread and you'll read what he said.

But that's ok, suit yourself.

Yeah, I read it. Did you? I don't even take that to be his actual words. Either way the claim is NOT that only Deron can have big games. I have made several posts which simply qualify (by speculation) what Nisalke must have been sayin.

You're not arguing with me. I doubt you are even arguing with Nisalke. You are arguing that Deron is not the best pg in the league, which aint even the claim.

You are arguin that Deron aint a top 10 player, which aint the claim either. You are arguing with yourself.
 
Two thoughts...

#1 Jefferson doesn't have nearly the hands or the jumper as Boozer or Memo.
#2 Our SG/SF situation is inconsistent. You never know when CJ is going to shoot 5-5 in 3's or airball 5 straight. Raja isn't as good as Wes or Brewer. Dropoff there....

those are the issues with our offense right there.

I still don't know what to think about AJ.
 
If we want to go on career stats then Rose and CP3 beat Deron easily.

CP3 probably, but not Rose based on the actual numbers. Here they are:

Career numbers:

Stat Rose - D Will
PPG: 18.9 - 16.7
APG: 6.3 - 9.0
RPG: 3.8 - 3.1
SPG: 0.8 - 1.0
MPG: 36.9 - 35.3

So D Will takes every category except rebounds and points. Now take out D Will's rookie year which is seriously slanted from his career numbers and the gap widens. D Will tops Rose based on career numbers, especially considering minutes per game averages. 6 assists per game career average is not the sign of a top level point-guard.

Obviously early in Rose's career and he is blowing those numbers out this year, raising him in fact to D Will's level.
 
Jefferson doesn't have nearly the hands or the jumper as Boozer or Memo....those are the issues with our offense right there.

So you're sayin Jefferson aint Boozer? Like, who knew, I ax ya?

Somebuddy's signature (forget who) has a quote from Deron sayin the team has never had a true low post player who "lives in the paint." It's a different team now. If only Boozer can satisfy you, maybe you'll want become a Bulls fan, eh? Especially since they have a top 10 player and the Jazz don't, ya know?
 
"Best point guard" can't be established objectively. Different people value different things, to begin with. I remember Phil Jackson sayin he would take Deron over Chrissy because he wanted a pg who could run the offense, not BE the offense.

Paul generally dribbles out most of the shot clock and then either shoots or passes. Aint sumthin Sloan would ever want. Apparently not Jackson either. Other coaches might, I dunno. I do know that many fans would. They often look only at individual stats and flashiness, and could care less about team-oriented goals.

Last year, the Jazz, as a team, led the league in assists by a wide margin. For every assist Deron had, others on the team had two. That wouldn't be possible if Deron was virtually the only one who ever touched the ball until the shot clock ran down.

Last time I looked, Rose was averagin 31 shots a game. Monta Ellis was in second place with about 24. 31 shots a game is not, for me, the measure of an ideal point guard, but that's probably just me.
 
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