Archie Moses
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I honestly have no idea how any of that works.
I just don't see why arresting drunk drivers is a bad idea because things could escalate.
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I honestly have no idea how any of that works.
I just don't see why arresting drunk drivers is a bad idea because things could escalate.
Archie Moses
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Do you actually refute drunks arrested while driving doesn't save lives because you need evidence? Mmkay.
I don't necessarily think it's a bad idea, I just think it is really necessary.
It's not illegal to be drunk, it's illegal to be drunk and drive a car. Once you've removed the driver from the car and have the evidence you need to charge them I don't see a significant benefit in taking them to jail.
I don't blame cops for doing it because current policy in Utah is that every DUI goes to jail. But I think it's worth reconsidering as we look at policing reforms.
Archie Moses
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I think arresting them on the spot shows that drinking and driving is not tolerated and is very serious and will be a process to recover from.
Escalation can be a threat to the police as well as the suspect/perpetrator. Shouldn't you need a good reason to raise the threat level?
I'm not "refuting" anything. I'm just saying you shouldn't escalate without a good reason.
Archie Moses
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Yeah, like taking a drunk breaking the law off the streets. Lol
I was hoping for a reason not based on pure revenge.
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So arrest them for symbology? Yeah, that's the current policy.
I don't know if you read the punishments, but they're serious. There's no such thing as a slap on the wrist for a DUI. It will alter your life significantly, you will absolutely know it was serious and the process to recover is significant. The arrest is one of the least disruptive and least significant parts of the punishment. It takes an officer off patrol to take the person to jail. The stay in jail will very often be less than 1 hour.
Archie Moses
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I'm pretty sure when someone is arrested they need to be taken in to have their mug shot taken and printed.
I get what you're saying I just disagree with letting someone go if found guilty of a DUI.
It's not "letting them go." You realize that when you get a speeding ticket you've been arrested? In that situation they don't take you to jail but they certainly don't "let you go."
You're going to pay a fine and you're gonna have higher insurance costs. For a DUI you pay over $1000 in fines and you have to carry SR22 insurance which is high risk insurance and that **** is massively expensive. It'll cost you more than $10,000 over what you would have paid in insurance over the time period you'll be required to have it. In Utah you have to do either 48 hours of jail time or 48 hours of community service. You get evaluated for drug/alcohol dependency and if deemed to have a problem you have to get treatment. You have to go to a presentation where a person, usually a person who lost a loved one to a DUI, tells you what it's like. In Utah you automatically lose your license the moment you are arrested for at least 120 days. You can get it back sooner but I think you have to do something in exchange, like use an ignition interlock or go through drug/alcohol therapy or something like that.
I mean you keep saying you want DUI to be treated as a serious crime. It absolutely is. Not only is it treated very seriously when you're busted for it, but Utah has a 0.05%bac limit. In the '80s the limit was 0.1%. Everywhere else is now 0.08%. I mean it is being taken seriously, and DUIs are down, fatalities are down. It is not socially acceptable to drive drunk and having a DUI and especially if you have multiple DUIs carries a heavy stigma.
No one in this thread has advocated for lessening the penalties for DUI. No one in this thread has advocated for treating DUIs as a non-serious offense. No one in this thread has shown any sympathy for DUI offenders, nor has anyone expressed lack of sympathy for victims.