Trade Mitchell (Include Clarkson)

[LogGrad98]

Bojan and Clarkson were both brought in to add firepower, that was about it. I do not think there was any master-plan on how to maximize Mitchell, so let's go get specific guys to fill specific gaps or fit specific schemes or whatever. Bojan was a scoring forward that could hit the 3. Clarkson was a sparkplug who could (and did) provide a scoring punch off the bench and help us when Mitchell might be out. The Jazz were re-tooling to emphasize the offense that Quin wanted to run, so they needed guys that could hit the 3 and score in bunches.

In light of this it is even more confusing that they chased Conley so hard. I mean he is hitting the 3 at the highest percentages of his career now, but from his history up to the point we went after him he was an ok 3-pt shooter, not lights out by any stretch, and perennial border-line all-star, but that was about it. He didn't really fit what we needed, and frankly still doesn't. Mind-boggling still why we brought him in. I guess because he is a nice guy and the Jazz Way is to have a True Point Guard and Good Citizen in that role, not some combo guard that might be a better defender and bigger body? Who knows.

 

[LoPo]

Bojan and Clarkson were both brought in to add firepower, that was about it. I do not think there was any master-plan on how to maximize Mitchell, so let's go get specific guys to fill specific gaps or fit specific schemes or whatever. Bojan was a scoring forward that could hit the 3. Clarkson was a sparkplug who could (and did) provide a scoring punch off the bench and help us when Mitchell might be out. The Jazz were re-tooling to emphasize the offense that Quin wanted to run, so they needed guys that could hit the 3 and score in bunches.

In light of this it is even more confusing that they chased Conley so hard. I mean he is hitting the 3 at the highest percentages of his career now, but from his history up to the point we went after him he was an ok 3-pt shooter, not lights out by any stretch, and perennial border-line all-star, but that was about it. He didn't really fit what we needed, and frankly still doesn't. Mind-boggling still why we brought him in. I guess because he is a nice guy and the Jazz Way is to have a True Point Guard and Good Citizen in that role, not some combo guard that might be a better defender and bigger body? Who knows.

I agree 100%.

Bojan and Clarkson were just basketball moves. Logical. We needed a 4 who could spread the floor while Exum had to leave.

The Conley deal will always confuse me.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Lopo is so obsessed with this stupid concept of who they built around, Gobert or Mitchell. It's ****ing pathetic and he only does it to put additional blame on Gobert and deflect off Mitchell.

They built around the 3pt shot you idiots. Not a player. They built around Gobert's screening to create 3's as much as they built around Mitchell PNR ability to shoot 3pt off ball screens or drive and create a 3 off the drive. Mitchell and Gobert are incredibly symbiotic. In reality building around either player likely results in extremely similar decisions (unless you think building around just means enhancing that players stats as much as possible, not winning as much as possible).

There is almost no thought from the Jazz when it comes to roster construction other than shooting a ton of 3's and being really good at them while also having a lot of ball-handlers on court. If they were "building around Gobert" they would actually coach the team to hit him when he deep seals at 6'5 player. Or they would put additional defenders on the court to enhance his best defensive abilities. Gobert is just much better than Mitchell at what he does and is way harder to replace, so Utah struggles more when he is out.

Conley exist as much for Mitchell as he does Gobert. Jazz need a PG who will actually hit Gobert when they run PNR and Jazz need a smarter guard next to Mitchell to actually playmake for others and orchestrate smart offense. The idea that Conley is a bad fit with Mitchell is ****ing stupid. They are the best offense in the NBA by a country mile for a reason.

 

[Park Bites]

I would guess some draft picks would be included maybe 2 to 3 firsts. to the Jazz 1 from Toronto and 2 from the Knicks. (Toronto is a big maybe)


http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yb5qdelc

This is only if DM has made it known he wants to leave for a bigger market.

I am a huge RJ Barrett fan and feel he will be a very good player. I love Cam Reddish. But Figure Toronto would be willing to give up some assets to get Barrett the hometown boy.
Think Miles McBride is an upgrade to Forrest
I think Samanic is on the cusp of a breakout season.
Jazz save 2.6 million (7.8 savings with Luxury tax)

Jazz

Conley, Butler, McBride
O'Neale, Reddish, House
Bogdanovich, Ingles. Wantanabe
Siakam, Gay,
Gobert, Whitesides, Samanic

 

[LoPo]

Lopo is so obsessed with this stupid concept of who they built around, Gobert or Mitchell. It's ****ing pathetic and he only does it to put additional blame on Gobert and deflect off Mitchell.

They built around the 3pt shot you idiots. Not a player. They built around Gobert's screening to create 3's as much as they built around Mitchell PNR ability to shoot 3pt off ball screens or drive and create a 3 off the drive. Mitchell and Gobert are incredibly symbiotic. In reality building around either player likely results in extremely similar decisions (unless you think building around just means enhancing that players stats as much as possible, not winning as much as possible).

There is almost no thought from the Jazz when it comes to roster construction other than shooting a ton of 3's and being really good at them while also having a lot of ball-handlers on court. If they were "building around Gobert" they would actually coach the team to hit him when he deep seals at 6'5 player. Or they would put additional defenders on the court to enhance his best defensive abilities. Gobert is just much better than Mitchell at what he does and is way harder to replace, so Utah struggles more when he is out.

Conley exist as much for Mitchell as he does Gobert. Jazz need a PG who will actually hit Gobert when they run PNR and Jazz need a smarter guard next to Mitchell to actually playmake for others and orchestrate smart offense. The idea that Conley is a bad fit with Mitchell is ****ing stupid. They are the best offense in the NBA by a country mile for a reason.

You've argued the Rudy side as much as I've argued the Mitchell side. I guess that makes us both pathetic.

As we look to change, and should change, to become a contender, we need to understand the logic and direction of the last roster build. It's not a Rudy vs Mitchell discussion as much as it is - how the hell do we put together a team best built to win a freaking title.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

You've argued the Rudy side as much as I've argued the Mitchell side. I guess that makes us both pathetic.

As we look to change, and should change, to become a contender, we need to understand the logic and direction of the last roster build. It's not a Rudy vs Mitchell discussion as much as it is - how the hell do we put together a team best built to win a freaking title.

No I havent.

My arguments against Mitchell are admittedly personal in nature. I just dont like watching him or his style. I dont say the team is built around him and that is the reason why the Jazz cant succeed or they should build more around Gobert.

 

[Ron Mexico]

I agree 100%.

Bojan and Clarkson were just basketball moves. Logical. We needed a 4 who could spread the floor while Exum had to leave.

The Conley deal will always confuse me.

No, you've argued over and over we built only around Gobert, not Mitchell. You freaked out when I said we built just as much around Mitchell as we have around Gobert.

 

[LoPo]

No, you've argued over and over we built only around Gobert, not Mitchell. You freaked out when I said we built just as much around Mitchell as we have around Gobert.

Sure as hell didn't build around Donovan Mitchell by taking the ball out of his hands, not putting defenders on the perimeter around him, and running the offense around Rudy.

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[NUMBERICA]

Sure as hell didn't build around Donovan Mitchell by taking the ball out of his hands, not putting defenders on the perimeter around him, and running the offense around Rudy.

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The system isn’t run “around” Rudy. It simply fails when he’s not setting screens and doing great at the most basic ****.

By the way and since this seems to be a point of obsession for you, Donovan benefits more from those screens than Rudy does.

 

[LoPo]

The system isn’t run “around” Rudy. It simply fails when he’s not setting screens and doing great at the most basic ****.

By the way and since this seems to be a point of obsession for you, Donovan benefits more from those screens than Rudy does.

So you are denying that we have built our entire offensive structure around Rudy?

This whole debate really doesn't matter. I just get sick and ****ing tired of people saying we built this team around Donovan Mitchell when it's just a bold faced lie.

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[NUMBERICA]

So you are denying that we have built our entire offensive structure around Rudy?

I do not understand.

You know that Rudy's work benefits everyone (more than it benefits him), right? I don't understand what the problem is, or how you seem to think that this somehow... takes away from Donovan when it does literally the exact opposite.

You seem to be hell-bent on waging war against Rudy, even when it doesn't make the least bit of sense. You are truly foaming at the mouth sometimes. It is utterly incomprehensible.

The team is built around both, and both need one another. For the billionth time.

 

[SoUjazzfan]

The team is built around Quin's system.
The end.
The problem is the system is set in stone. No flux for when things go to ****.