Trade Mitchell (Include Clarkson)

[Ron Mexico]

So you are denying that we have built our entire offensive structure around Rudy?

This whole debate really doesn't matter. I just get sick and ****ing tired of people saying we built this team around Donovan Mitchell when it's just a bold faced lie.

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No one is claiming the team is built solely around Mitchell. I have not seen a single person make that claim. You are the only one claiming the team was built entirely around Gobert including our entire defense, offense, and all of our players movement. This is not true at all.

I am not going to argue the details since you will ignore them, including what the team has said and our media mouth pieces for the team.

You seem to be trying to make up pretend arguments that are as extreme as your own to make you seem more reasonable, you are not.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

No one is claiming the team is built solely around Mitchell. I have not seen a single person make that claim. You are the only one claiming the team was built entirely around Gobert including our entire defense, offense, and all of our players movement. This is not true at all.

I am not going to argue the details since you will ignore them, including what the team has said and our media mouth pieces for the team.

You seem to be trying to make up pretend arguments that are as extreme as your own to make you seem more reasonable, you are not.

Straw-manning and goal post moving are the Lopo Special

 

[LoPo]

Straw-manning and goal post moving are the Lopo Special

I've said the exact same things over and over and over again for the last few years.

You're a liar. I could make a list of your attacks but I value my time. Just wish we had a forum where people could make their arguments without constant attacks from this cancer known as Cy. I guarantee more people would share ideas and opinions on this forum.


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[LoPo]

No one is claiming the team is built solely around Mitchell. I have not seen a single person make that claim. You are the only one claiming the team was built entirely around Gobert including our entire defense, offense, and all of our players movement. This is not true at all.

I am not going to argue the details since you will ignore them, including what the team has said and our media mouth pieces for the team.

You seem to be trying to make up pretend arguments that are as extreme as your own to make you seem more reasonable, you are not.

I'm tired of regular season fools gold built around a system that doesn't work in the playoffs.

Moves can be made for the team and not one player, but playoff superstars need support in the way of elite perimeter defense. Phoenix developed Bridges, got Jae, others. GS adds perimeter defenders every chance they get. Etc. We haven't done that for Don. We have done the opposite. We have taken the ball out of his hands while also adding nothing to our defense.

I think we do everything around Rudy. We play on both sides of the floor around his strengths and his weaknesses. We don't do that for Mitchell. Nickel and dime the small points all you want, but we haven't tried to build a team in Don's image. Every other superstar would have had this by now after his first 4 years.

I'm tired of failing. And I have been saying this exact same thing for years without change. I'm often wrong about a number of things, but about this I am completely right.

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[NUMBERICA]

I'm tired of making the playoffs

Fixed

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I've said the exact same things over and over and over again for the last few years.

You're a liar. I could make a list of your attacks but I value my time. Just wish we had a forum where people could make their arguments without constant attacks from this cancer known as Cy. I guarantee more people would share ideas and opinions on this forum.


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bruh you acting like Im some kind of 1 man show dismantling your ideas. It's a lot of posters on this board doing this to you.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I'm tired of regular season fools gold built around a system that doesn't work in the playoffs.

Moves can be made for the team and not one player, but playoff superstars need support in the way of elite perimeter defense. Phoenix developed Bridges, got Jae, others. GS adds perimeter defenders every chance they get. Etc. We haven't done that for Don. We have done the opposite. We have taken the ball out of his hands while also adding nothing to our defense.

I think we do everything around Rudy. We play on both sides of the floor around his strengths and his weaknesses. We don't do that for Mitchell. Nickel and dime the small points all you want, but we haven't tried to build a team in Don's image. Every other superstar would have had this by now after his first 4 years.

I'm tired of failing. And I have been saying this exact same thing for years without change. I'm often wrong about a number of things, but about this I am completely right.

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Yeah, giving Mitchell one of the most spaced floors in the NBA and the best screener in NBA history is certainly not helping Mitchell. Heaven forbid Donovan actually try on defense when he gets to play with a top 5 offense in NBA history. You can give Donovan all the wing defenders in the NBA, he still a trash can on defense. You know how PHX got so much better on D? Devin Booker put a lot of work in on that end and improved. Donovan has steadily regressed every single ****ing year on that end. That's not anyone's fault but Don's. You call the dude a superstar which each breathe you take, but somehow he's the only superstar who shouldnt be held accountable for his own failures.

Do you hear how dumb you sound?

The only thing Phoenix did better than Utah was trade for Chris Paul, but that was a huge risk because of his age and contract size. If the Jazz had CP3 they could have two top 10 player and Donovan rather than just a top 10 player and Donovan. The PHX role players arent any better than Utah's. They just have Chris Paul. PHX aint winning **** in the playoff either. Utah would have handled Milwaukee way better than PHX did last year.

ANd if UTah somehow managed to trade for Chris Paul when they did, you'd be the loudest ************ here complaining about how he takes the ball out of Don's hands and how he is too small. You going to say whatever you can to deflect off Mitchell because you gargle the dude like you got a sore throat with salt water.

 

[LoPo]

bruh you acting like Im some kind of 1 man show dismantling your ideas. It's a lot of posters on this board doing this to you.

You "dismantle" my ideas while taking personal shots at me. Dismantling ideas like:

Kuzma - you were wrong
Herb Jones - you were wrong
Trading Favors while he still had value - you were wrong

You will never own up and say - yeah, you were right or yeah, I was wrong.

If you don't like an idea or a poster, you take personal shots until they go away. Only some of your fanboys unwilling to battle you remain for the most part. But I stick around because I'm not just going to back down to your lame internet bullying techniques. It's just so incredibly frustrating how you are allowed to talk to people on this forum. People tolerate you and they shouldn't.

It's easier for Booker to defend when he has Paul, Bridges, Jae and others. How do you not get that? You assume to lecture others on the principles of basketball? It's team sport and you need a number of defenders.

This thread is about trading Donovan Mitchell. It's a stupid idea.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

You "dismantle" my ideas while taking personal shots at me. Dismantling ideas like:

Kuzma - you were wrong
Herb Jones - you were wrong
Trading Favors while he still had value - you were wrong

You will never own up and say - yeah, you were right or yeah, I was wrong.

If you don't like an idea or a poster, you take personal shots until they go away. Only some of your fanboys unwilling to battle you remain for the most part. But I stick around because I'm not just going to back down to your lame internet bullying techniques. It's just so incredibly frustrating how you are allowed to talk to people on this forum. People tolerate you and they shouldn't.

It's easier for Booker to defend when he has Paul, Bridges, Jae and others. How do you not get that? You assume to lecture others on the principles of basketball? It's team sport and you need a number of defenders.

This thread is about trading Donovan Mitchell. It's a stupid idea.

I was wrong about Kuzma when I was literally the only person on the internet who called him a lottery talent and 1st round pick? Interesting.

And I clearly said I was wrong about Herb Jones in a post a few days ago that you were a part of. STop being a little baby.

And I have no idea what the Favors thing is as he hasnt had trade value since like 2016.

And I never take personal shots at you. I talk about how dumb the **** you say is. And everyone realizes it.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

The idea that Utah is completely devoid of defenders is BS.

Gobert: One of the best defensive players in NBA history
Royce: A good versatile defender (Better than Jae Crowder or Cam Johnson)
Conley: A good defender

The only below average defender who starts is Bogey. The reason Utah struggles so much defensively is because DONOVAN MITCHELL is either unwilling or unable to step it up on that end.

Last year the Suns had a 110 defensive rating (Utah is 108 this year for reference) with all the same players. This year they are a 104. The difference is Devin Booker bought in and has really stepped it up. Gobert pointed this out because he understands basketball.

Utah basically has 3 trash can defenders on the roster: Bogey/Clarkson/Mitchell. Bogey is a lost cause. He really cant improve that much, same with Clarkson. Utah has to get rid of 2 of their bad defensive players. One has to be Clarkson and the other either has to be a Bogey trade, Mitchell trade, or Mitchell actually improving his D to become league average on that end.

 

[LoPo]

I was wrong about Kuzma when I was literally the only person on the internet who called him a lottery talent and 1st round pick? Interesting.

Okay, so who is moving the goalposts now? You skip over the last 3 years of bashing me every time I brought up Kuzma to quote yourself pre-draft?

You're just sad. Definitely a liar. The only "goalpost mover" I see around here. Definitely the one bullying people often.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Okay, so who is moving the goalposts now? You skip over the last 3 years of bashing me every time I brought up Kuzma to quote yourself pre-draft?

You're just sad. Definitely a liar. The only "goalpost mover" I see around here. Definitely the one bullying people often.

Ive certainly never outright bashed Kuzma. I may have bashed what it would take to acquire him. These are not the same thing.

And he's a starter who measures as league average on a league average NBA team. That's what Kuzma is. What exactly are you running a victory lap about on this?