Trade Rumors Involving the Jazz

[Handlogten's Heros]

Developing players do not gain value for sitting on the bench when vets play instead of them. If anything, it’s the complete opposite. Development isn’t free and it usually comes at the cost of losing games.

People are getting lost in the sauce with the development stuff. We’re acting like Lauri is going to disappear into the void if he can’t play with Mike Conley for 30 games.

Truth is, nobody is gonna care what happened in the remaining 30 games once they are done. But I can guarantee that come draft time people are going to wishing they were drafting even just one spot earlier.

I think we get a little lost too when seeing drafts in tiers. We may see Anthony Black and Jett Howard as the same cuz they are in the same tier... so whoever falls to us is cool. In reality though how much value would a gm give to move from 14 to 9? At least one more good first rounder has been required traditionally. So if we do sell off the vets you can basically tack on one extra pick to that package as part of the "value". That is in the worst case scenario. Best case you land top 4.

And say you are not sold on Scoot... say you believe in the curse of #2... do you know what the price would be to move back to 3 or 4 cuz someone is very likely sold on Scoot? We might be talking 2 or 3 additional picks.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

To get the 4th seed in the lottery, the Jazz aren't playing the developing players. They're playing Dok, Bolmaro, Fontecchio and whatever rejects they got in the trades.

Well, you and your scenario wasn't what I was responding to. It was getting the 4th seed with the 10 game streaks.

Yeah... I'm advocating for a light tank... not an extreme tank. Its so bunched up that you can make up (lose) ground quickly.

 

[David Stern]

I think it is Clarkson, Beasely, and Sexton + 2023 BKN + 2nd rounder pick for Westbrook + 2FRP + Pickswap.

That would make some sense, and I would love that

Can you imagine if we replaced Beasley with KO and got additional assets out of Malik? That would be incredible

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

One thing about Ainge that he is a master at... He has several times successfully predicted/read the draft map. Did it with Tatum and moving the #1 pick... did it with Thybulle back in the day as well. Having a couple lotto/near lotto picks and the ammo he has could lead to some pretty galaxy brain stuff. Giving him the 9th pick may mean he gets the guy he wants while moving back and getting additional value (players of picks).

 

[Jaanipoeg]

I think it is Clarkson, Beasely, and Sexton + 2023 BKN + 2nd rounder pick for Westbrook + 2FRP + Pickswap.

One of the more interesting Lakers trades I've seen thrown around that I think gets the Lakers closer to the value necessary for unprotected picks that the Lakers would have to send to be able to make the trade. Still would hard for them to pull the trigger, but Pelinka is in a lose-lose as far as smart GM decisions go

Lakers have talked about preserving cap space in 23-24 or 24-25 to make some big signings, but Clarkson/Beas/Sexton are great pieces to put around LeBron and finally get him some shooting, plus Clarkson's improved ball handling could be helpful off the bench

 

[Jaanipoeg]

One thing about Ainge that he is a master at... He has several times successfully predicted/read the draft map. Did it with Tatum and moving the #1 pick... did it with Thybulle back in the day as well. Having a couple lotto/near lotto picks and the ammo he has could lead to some pretty galaxy brain stuff. Giving him the 9th pick may mean he gets the guy he wants while moving back and getting additional value (players of picks).

Seeing Celtics fans bitch about Ainge's drafting always confused me. The Tatum move was all-time, Brown was a big hit even if it was top 3, Time Lord is a massive 27th pick, Grant Williams is a good 22nd pick. I mean sure Romeo Langford and stuff was bad, but Boston fans just have such a distorted view on reality after decades of success in everything

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

If the Raps decide to hold firm and do no moves or just Trent Jr... Danny Ainge may end up just having a field day. Chicago seems intent on ignoring the writing on the wall. Other potential sellers are sitting on their hands. He has to be sitting around with a perma boner and smiling at everyone all day.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Seeing Celtics fans bitch about Ainge's drafting always confused me. The Tatum move was all-time, Brown was a big hit even if it was top 3, Time Lord is a massive 27th pick, Grant Williams is a good 22nd pick. I mean sure Romeo Langford and stuff was bad, but Boston fans just have such a distorted view on reality after decades of success in everything

He had a bad run of middle first picks. The draft has a bigger luck element than folks would like to admit.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I have a gauntlet of calls today... guarantee news breaks this afternoon.

 

[KqWIN]

Seeing Celtics fans bitch about Ainge's drafting always confused me. The Tatum move was all-time, Brown was a big hit even if it was top 3, Time Lord is a massive 27th pick, Grant Williams is a good 22nd pick. I mean sure Romeo Langford and stuff was bad, but Boston fans just have such a distorted view on reality after decades of success in everything

Fans will never be satisfied with a drafting record because hindsight is 20/20. One miss negates all the hits, and people claim the hits were just lucky anyways. Saw a lot of that around here with the Jazz, it's just how fans are.

 

[Elizah Huge]

And if we sell off Mike, JC, Beasley for assets and Lauri/Walker/Ochai and then they carry us to the playoffs... it means they leveled up again or we got some real pop from NAW, Sexton, etc.

There really is only upside.

BINGO

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Fans will never be satisfied with a drafting record because hindsight is 20/20. One miss negates all the hits, and people claim the hits were just lucky anyways. Saw a lot of that around here with the Jazz, it's just how fans are.

I just want the process to be smart. Taking Tony Bradley and Doke was dumb. I didn't like the Allen pick but its fine and I understood it. Take measured shots on getting the best value and hope you are lucky. If you take a center they better project as a shooter or an elite rim protector or have some other switchy ability. Taking large dinosaur centers from the 90s ain't it... especially if you have Rudy and are gonna roll out a full MLE for Favs.

If you miss... just miss in a smart way.