Trade Rumors Involving the Jazz

[YoungJefe]

This. Someone please identify one thing DM does above average other than volume scoring? Which he does at a relatively unspectacular efficiency.

He averaged more ppg with a higher FG% then Curry when his team was the best offensive team in the NBA. Same argument can be made for Rudy Gobert, why pay him $40M when the Warriors were better defensively with vet min venter Kevon Looney holding it down, lol.

 

[YoungJefe]

Last season:

Donovan Mitchell: 26 ppg, 4 rpg, 5 apg on 45/35/85 splits
Stephen Curry: 25.5 ppg, 5 rpg, 6 apg on 44/38/92 splits
Devin Booker: 27 ppg, 5 rpg, 5 apg on 46/38/85 splits

Don sucks though, how exactly did we have the best offense in the NBA last season?

 

[Hearsky]

He averaged more ppg with a higher FG% then Curry when his team was the best offensive team in the NBA. Same argument can be made for Rudy Gobert, why pay him $40M when the Warriors were better defensively with vet min venter Kevon Looney holding it down, lol.

That wasn't the ****ing question. But, I know your super power is avoiding the question.

 

[Hearsky]

Last season:

Donovan Mitchell: 26 ppg, 4 rpg, 5 apg on 45/35/85 splits
Stephen Curry: 25.5 ppg, 5 rpg, 6 apg on 44/38/92 splits
Devin Booker: 27 ppg, 5 rpg, 5 apg on 46/38/85 splits

Don sucks though, how exactly did we have the best offense in the NBA last season?

Quit playing obtuse and answer the question.

 

[YoungJefe]

That wasn't the ****ing question. But, I know your super power is avoiding the question.

Donovan Mitchell: 26 ppg, 4 rpg, 5 apg on 45/35/85 splits
Stephen Curry: 25.5 ppg, 5 rpg, 6 apg on 44/38/92 splits
Devin Booker: 27 ppg, 5 rpg, 5 apg on 46/38/85 splits

Averaged basically the same number across the board as Curry and Booker last season. Does that argument apply for them as well? What did they do significantly better then Donovan on worse offensive teams?

 

[YoungJefe]

Quit playing obtuse and answer the question.

Curry averages 1 more rebound/1 more assist per game while scoring less/lower efficiency. Booker scores 1 more ppg on slightly better efficiency and averages the same number of rebounds and assists. Neither guy is great defensively either. So do they suck?

 

[Hearsky]

Donovan Mitchell: 26 ppg, 4 rpg, 5 apg on 45/35/85 splits
Stephen Curry: 25.5 ppg, 5 rpg, 6 apg on 44/38/92 splits
Devin Booker: 27 ppg, 5 rpg, 5 apg on 46/38/85 splits

Averaged basically the same number across the board as Curry and Booker last season. Does that argument apply for them as well? What did they do significantly better then Donovan on worse offensive teams?

So, I take it you can't identify ONE thing DM can do above average other than volume scoring. Got it.

 

[YoungJefe]

So, I take it you can't identify ONE thing DM can do above average other than volume scoring. Got it.

Rebounding and playmaking at nearly the same rate as Finals MVP, Steph Curry.

 

[LogGrad98]

Trade the vets (Gay, Conley, Beverly)if doing so nets the Jazz picks.

Last season:

Donovan Mitchell: 26 ppg, 4 rpg, 5 apg on 45/35/85 splits
Stephen Curry: 25.5 ppg, 5 rpg, 6 apg on 44/38/92 splits
Devin Booker: 27 ppg, 5 rpg, 5 apg on 46/38/85 splits

Don sucks though, how exactly did we have the best offense in the NBA last season?

Booker: Leads his team to the Finals, then into the 2nd round
Curry: Yet either title and finals MVP

Hmmm, now how far did Mitchell "lead" his team?

 

[LogGrad98]

Rebounding and playmaking at nearly the same rate as Finals MVP, Steph Curry.

And yet cannot generate a series win like Steph. Weird huh?

 

[YoungJefe]

@Hearsky
In 2021-2022 the only players in the NBA to average 25+ ppg and 5+ apg:
Donovan, Giannis, LeBron, Curry, Jokic, Doncic, Trae

In 2020-2021:
Donovan, Trae, Luka, Jokic, Lillard, Fox, Kyrie, Giannis, Curry, and LeBron

The only two players to do it in each of the last two seasons: Donovan, Jokic, Giannis, LeBron, Curry, Doncic and Trae

Not terrible company.

I also missed when Trae, Luka, Lillard, Jokic, or Curry were defensive monsters.

 

[YoungJefe]

And yet cannot generate a series win like Steph. Weird huh?

Curry actually has an elite HOF god tier defender in Green and good scoring options around him not a PE teacher and Jordan Clarkson.

Steph couldn't even make the playoffs last year, why was that again?

 

[Ron Mexico]

Donovan Mitchell: 26 ppg, 4 rpg, 5 apg on 45/35/85 splits
Stephen Curry: 25.5 ppg, 5 rpg, 6 apg on 44/38/92 splits
Devin Booker: 27 ppg, 5 rpg, 5 apg on 46/38/85 splits

Averaged basically the same number across the board as Curry and Booker last season. Does that argument apply for them as well? What did they do significantly better then Donovan on worse offensive teams?

What about in the clutch this year when games actually mattered? What about in the playoffs this year? How do they compare?

 

[YoungJefe]

What about in the clutch this year when games actually mattered? What about in the playoffs this year? How do they compare?

There 7 players that have averaged 25+ ppg and 5+ apg the last two seasons, Donovan is one of them.

Again we just saw a team trade away 2 lottery picks to clear cap space for Jalen Brunson on a 100M+ deal and people act like Don isn't going to be valued around the league.

We should tank, hopefully the guy we get averages 25/5/5

 

[Jazzman12]

All it’s going to take is one bad season or lots of injuries to them and our haul of 1st rounders will be a masterstroke of a trade

This.

There’s been some griping about these Minnesota picks turning into late 1st rounders, and a few are probably going to. But…. Rudy is now on the wrong side of 30 and big men older than 30 tend to fight the injury bug more often.

I don’t wish injuries on any opposing players, but It’s not out of the realm that you see KAT or Rudy having an injury plagued season and then the other gets hurt and Minnesota decides to suck it up, protect their massive investments, shut ‘em both down and live to fight another day. Look no further than L.A. for a real time example of what that looks like for the Clippers as they endure the Kawhai and PG13 saga.

 

[Ron Mexico]

There 7 players that have averaged 25+ ppg and 5+ apg the last two seasons, Donovan is one of them.

Again we just saw a team trade away 2 lottery picks to clear cap space for Jalen Brunson on a 100M+ deal and people act like Don isn't going to be valued around the league.

We should tank, hopefully the guy we get averages 25/5/5

That was a swing and miss by you on anything close to an anwer. That wasnt the question and your argument might be for someone else.

 

[Ron Mexico]

I want to keep Mitchell if he is committed to staying at least a couple more seasons. If he isnt then you trade him for the best thing possible, he has decent value but we wont come out ahead in the trade.

But again Mitchell was really bad last year. Can he bounce back? Probably, but maybe not. He did not defend at all, he was historically bad in the clutch (maybe the worst ever in NBA history for that amount touches) and was terrible in the playoffs on both ends.

Steph won because he is a much better player and had good defense around him. We had good or better scoring options around Mitchell, we had an elite defender. We had no other defenders though and we had our star player choke really hard in the playoffs.

 

[danteexum11]

mitchell needs to loose weight

 

[YoungJefe]

I want to keep Mitchell if he is committed to staying at least a couple more seasons. If he isnt then you trade him for the best thing possible, he has decent value but we wont come out ahead in the trade.

But again Mitchell was really bad last year. Can he bounce back? Probably, but maybe not. He did not defend at all, he was historically bad in the clutch (maybe the worst ever in NBA history for that amount touches) and was terrible in the playoffs on both ends.

Can you show me the clutch stats for him against the other top stars in the league? Also 25/5/5 on 45/35/85 splits for the #1 offensive team in the NBA is really bad? Lol

The Jazz haven’t had anyone that could score at a level since Karl Malone. If we keep him or trade him, it is what it is.

My entire point has been that he has value around the league. iirc fisher and Larsen said if the jazz move on they expect the package to be one good young players and 4-5 first round picks.

 

[YoungJefe]

I want to keep Mitchell if he is committed to staying at least a couple more seasons. If he isnt then you trade him for the best thing possible, he has decent value but we wont come out ahead in the trade.

But again Mitchell was really bad last year. Can he bounce back? Probably, but maybe not. He did not defend at all, he was historically bad in the clutch (maybe the worst ever in NBA history for that amount touches) and was terrible in the playoffs on both ends.

Steph won because he is a much better player and had good defense around him. We had good or better scoring options around Mitchell, we had an elite defender. We had no other defenders though and we had our star player choke really hard in the playoffs.

You think Bojan, Rudy, and Clarkson are better scoring options then Thompson, Poole, and Wiggins? Jesus