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Trump and Putin in Helsinki

dalamon said:
Most Americans do not give a single **** about Russia. Campaign on health care, affordable housing, and better public education. This will do way ****ing more than Rachel Maddow preaching to her viewers about the optics of Russiagate
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You know Maddow doesn't work for the DNC right? I'm sure she's sympathetic to progressive politics in general but it's not like she's out there stumping for politicians or anything. What she talks about on her show doesn't really have much bearing on the issues democrats are bringing to their constituents.

That said I do agree in general that those issues you mentioned are probably better issues to run on than Russia-gate or whatever we're calling it. However I do believe the American people by and large are not enamored with the way Trump represents us on the world stage and the whole Russia thing can be part of a broader discussion about that.
 
dalamon said:
America already tried running a campaign of "Red Scare" against Donald Trump, and we saw how that turned out. You cannot in good faith argue that more people in America care about Russia than healthcare

2018 midterms will truly expose to all of y'all where voters truly stand. Ppl like Joe Crowley are getting kicked to the curb, and there's more to follow.
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I can't quantify it in any way, but a lot of people really care about the Russia stuff. Like all the people who watch MSNBC.
 
Ron Mexico said:
Ill give 1 example. His most talked about and supported idea is free college education. That sounds really nice and well supported but the fact is if we did that in the US the group that would most benefit from it would be rich white males. The people who need it the least. College is free or close to free already for minorities and poor people. Plus the fact that most groups are not going to go to a high end rich school except rich white males. So you just give more to people who have the most. So its a nice idea but not doing what its supposed to or all that helpful.
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It's nice to see someone else find out about this. It's a huge wealth transfer to the wealthy. Parsed student debt numbers show this clear as day: those with massive student debt largely come from rich white families. And we want to pay their debts? Let their parents.
 
Wow, I never knew that rare144 was cuckoo until this thread.
 
One Brow said:
I don't know what you mean by "rich" here. The rich can afford to pay $50K-$100K/year for the Ivy League, and would continue to do so regardless of whether there was free public education. Meanwhile, paying for college by the poor and lower middle-class often means the assumptions of a large number of loans, and it does have a cost on them. Even borrowing for community colleges can be a burden.
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@Ron Mexico

Harvard's system goes further than that
Your parents can make something like 150k and you only pay up to 10%. It takes a lot of income before anyone pays a substantial amount. The rich pay the vast majority for all who attend.
 
idestroyedthetoilet said:
It's nice to see someone else find out about this. It's a huge wealth transfer to the wealthy. Parsed student debt numbers show this clear as day: those with massive student debt largely come from rich white families. And we want to pay their debts? Let their parents.
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Those debts are from private colleges, and would be little altered by free tuition at public universities.
 
One Brow said:
Those debts are from private colleges, and would be little altered by free tuition at public universities.
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Interesting. First time I've heard that. I'm all for funding post-secondary, but like Ron I want it targeted toward the needy and underprivileged. Obama's bill, for example, was a no-brainer even if it didnt go far enough. 6 billion per year for 2 years of community college funding for everyone is nothing.
 
nobody here has discussed the effect on tuition which follows from loan programs or outright government assistance....Our colleges have become inefficient bloated bureaucracies because of all these cash cows that bring students in.

It's a market, folks. Let price and demand find their own place.

The degrees have also become less significant with a lot of companies hiring from India or other places where there is an oversupply of degreed talent. Again let our market find its own balance. If we let those smart kids find jobs back home, our companies will simply build there..... research labs, production units, whatever.... but hey, this globalism idea has some merit.... well.... if we have actual free markets and not heavily subsidized cartel wars for national dominance....like what China does. The fact is, guvmints doing "Free Trade Agreements" are all liars, what they are doing is cutting themselves nice pieces of the pie, usually with lots of payola going out to the bigs who do the deals. It's really a lot of "Price-fixed Racketeering" done by guvmint hacks.

Probably Trump really hasn't busted up the racket yet.

All of you socialist dreamers talking about the poor just don't live on the street. You can afford your delusions. There is no way the poor are ever going to get a good deal unless you leave all this **** alone and get the hell outta the picture.

Your little cute ignorant snob who wants to make us "Marxist Utopia" as she fantasizes it all needs someone to pull the rug out from under her high-falutin' ideas about what to do with other peoples' money. She can do what she wants with her own money.
 
Bulletproof said:
This is so ****ing embarrassing. Especially since it is becoming so popular for people to buy into this line of thinking.

No such thing as reality to some people. There are the like 20% of us being lied to, the 5% who have figured out the lie and the 75% who would have to be in on all these lies. Makes sense.
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Actually, people like you trying, over and over again..... , to make this point are just embarrassing. What is in it for you to believe this????

The definition of a "conspiracy" is some people.... not a lot of people.... not the entire community..... attempting to keep the public or others who will be interested or affected uninformed about something.... anything.

Fact is, conspiracies are a dime a dozen, everybody has some iron in the conspiracy fire, hardly anyone is really on the exactly the same page.

Fact is, conspiracies are generally run in the context of a situation where most people are using some of the same ideas or social context assumptions, and hell no... those 75% are not "in on it" or beneficiaries of it.

Nelson Rockefeller and the CFR pursuing world scale agendas openly advocated, even writing books about their goals, are not really conspiracies. The fact that they(the commonly interested elite set of advocates for these goals) just don't have a Press calling them out probably isn't a conspiracy either.

But some redneck yahoos sittin' on log stools next to old trucks set on blocks babbling about the globalist "conspiracies" is in fact the poor rubes tellin' the truth about how they've been cut outta the deal. Nobody is tellin' 'em, and they have no reasonable line of action to do much about it, so effectively, the concept is valid, for them. Let call it like they see it.

You're not the great intellect entitled to mock anyone.
 
rare144 said:
Here ya go:



My last post wasting my time with y'alls delusion
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Look, this is ordinary show biz. Nobody does interviews for TV without some helpers in the background making it run "right".

Sure there are a lot of common values running in the background between media and some candidates, too. And if you step on people's toes they back away, however cozy things may be.

Anybody who wants to make a difference has to be willing to deal with people as they are.
There's a lot you can learn from the JFC community. Learn it, take it to the street, and benefit your values in the process.
 
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