TURKEY-GERMANY : Nowitzki- Turkey
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OK I was trying to be polite by saying that he's "undersized" (dumb I know). What I was meant to say is that he's gonna be a bit short going up against the Howards, Bynums, Boguts of the NBA world.
He'll dominate at the PF position - I have absolutely no doubt about that watching the Turkey-Germany game. He's STRONG and yet FAST. POWERFUL and yet SKILLFUL.
Somebody said that to determine your position in the NBA - look at which position you can guard. I just don't know if Kanter can guard NBA Centers and really do well in it. I think he can guard most PFs no problem whatsoever.
To me.. sadly he's just about half an inch too short to play the Center position in the NBA.
GVC
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I think this sort of thinking, which happens to be all too prevalent on jazzfanz, is terribly flawed (even ignoring how unimportant head height is to defense). No, Kanter isn't especially long, but what he lacks in length, he seems to make up for in strength. That is, when a player like Howard or Bynum gets within a few feet of the basket, you're probably ****ed either way, and an extra 0.5 blocks per game aren't going to make a hell of a lot of difference (especially since there's a damn good chance the offensive team retains possession). On the other hand, if you're able to keep those same players 10 to 15 feet away from the basket with superior transition and positional play, those players' strengths are largely negated. Length and athleticism seem to come more into play defending fleet-of-foot power forwards on pick and rolls and perimeter players driving to the basket. Kanter will suffer far more in those situations than when he's called on to guard large post threats.
MVP
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I think after todays game you can switch JV with Kanter
Kanter, 9.6pts, 3.9reb, 0.5ast, 0.3stl, 0.6blk, 1.1to .590FG, .679FT 17.8min
JV 10.4pts, 3.6reb, 1ast, 0.8stl, 1.1blk, 2.7 to .707fg, .710FT 17.3min.
only thing Kanter does better in this tourney is rebounding and less TO.
I hear what you're saying but if I can start at new team I'd definitely put Kanter in at PF (he's quick enough to defend most PFs IMO). And have a Chandler type player - somebody who's naturally long, not particularly quick or strong but athletic and can simply 'reach over' or 'jump over' and grab those contested rebounds.
OK - the Perkins analogy - I buy that - only to the extent that Celtics also had Kevin Garnett who's 7 foot plus tall in the PF position which helps negating Perkin's height issue.
I'm thinking of those 50/50 situations where you need your big guys to grab those rebounds. You can just see it in the Turkey-Germany games, occasions when Kaman & Nowitzki were just too tall and reach over the back of players to grab those contested rebounds.
aybars
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well,unfortunately they minus all the TO(total) and fouls made,its not only points that counts,i will check back as soon as they update
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2.7 TOs per game? Hahahaha
I didn't realize they were that high. That's 6.8/48 minutes and 1.5 TO's higher /48 than the nearest competitor in the NBA, Russell Westbrook, who turned the ball over at a rate of 5.3/48. Don't know how NBA coaches are going to like that and it may impact his playing time in the NBA because all things being equal, his TO's will not improve in the NBA. Still young though. So those of you who have seen JV play in full games, how does he lose the ball for TO's? Is it stuff like traveling, crappy passes, losing it in the post, or a combo. of some/all of these?
Actually Kanter seemed like a much better scorer to me. He scored most of the points in post plays without any help but JV found lots of easy points to the basket with great passes of Jasikevicius. This game it was same, he got maybe 2 points in a pick n roll with Preldzic but other than that he scored most points with his own struggle, he even missed a few easy shots that he could make. But he forced Serbia to change defense plan in second half, if we could use him smarter, we could grab a win easily. He was just too dominant over the Serbian big men today.
I didnt see many games of lithuania, but for the part that i have seen, he was too young, too eager to prove something, and too much energy which is sometimes in controllable. He was better than most of Lithuanian big men because the rest just sucks. But his best chance was the good lithuanian guards which turkey didnt have. He got lots of easy points thanks to their good playmaking. If you watch the highlights of both JV and kanter you will see, Kanter had much tougher points, mostly banging with his opponents while JV used his agility and long arms going to the basket
I think he is a good player but i have too many questions on him like how well he can translate his game to nba? He cant find those easy buckets against nba teams. And he is still too thin to bang up with bigger players.
Kanter as well, may have some problems in his first year, but his game and body seems much much more suitable to play in nba comparing to JV. He will force lots of teams to double team and open way to score 3 pointers from perimeter players (which right now we dont have any consistent shooter.) I can imagine, if we had a guy like korver, who can shoot quickly and accurate, he could just pass the ball to Kanter , he would post up , either score with a post savy move or pass the ball to the shooter in double team and shooter makes the 3. Kanter should learn better how to play pick n roll and add some new plays to his offensive game, then he will for sure be a 20 12 guy. But we gotta be patient for that. If we add 2 players to kanter, favors and hayward who will complement the team chemistry well, we will be a contender in 3 yrs latest. Just i dont see any way to achieve big things with the lead of Harris and Big Al
I don't disagree entirely, but learning how to play the pick and roll well is a mighty valuable skill. It will likely translate, especially given how outrageously good JV seems to be at it, though I agree that JV will have to develop better strength and go-to moves to become something more than a good 3rd option. Some players (Al) never figure out how to play the pick and roll well. We don't know if Kanter will, though I have high hopes. It will likely take time, as you say.