Crawlnstall
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Don't forget that he had to deal with little playing time under Sloan, and then the whole D-Wil/Sloan mess that messed up the team...and a shortened off season with a new coach...give him time, he is only 22
Did you not see the 4 games we "used Hayward like Harden" coming off the bench about 2 weeks ago? It was a disastrophe.
Don't forget that he had to deal with little playing time under Sloan, and then the whole D-Wil/Sloan mess that messed up the team...and a shortened off season with a new coach...give him time, he is only 22
It all comes down to his shooting. He obviously has to raise his percentage, but also work on a faster release. 18/5/5 is probably where he'll max out at. Which would be damn good ROI for a 9th pick.
Your normal height. Certainly not vaulted.
Most players don't improve very much on their core skills after their 3 years. I don't think Hayward is going to become much more than he is now. He is a good useful player but never a star.
Why did the Jazz ever let AK go? He's been sorely missed at the 3. I bet this team is 14-6 with AK playing over Haywierd. 13-7 easily.
serious? this board would have gone into complete melt-down if we'd re-signed ak, especially at the $10 million he signed with the t'wolves for.
the comparison is reasonable though. he'll never see a max-contract like ak did, but his overall production and versatility is already similar to what we got out of andrei for most of his time here. i feel he is a better shooter than ak, though not quite the defender. if gordon handled the ball more than he currently does he could average 3-4 assists.
anyway, i'm not ready to give up on him just yet. should be a useful player for many seasons.
serious? this board would have gone into complete melt-down if we'd re-signed ak, especially at the $10 million he signed with the t'wolves for.
I agree with you re:AK, but still say everybody had to move on. I thought that was your position too. Sorry for misrepresenting.
we are all getting numb to this with our grip of young players.
hayward, (the oldest of the 4) still has 6-7 MORE seasons until he's even in his prime. lots of room to improve.
It took me about 20 games into last season before throwing in the towel. It took all of five or seven this year before seeing the new additions wouldn't amount to anything special. How can they upgrade at every position and get worse (accounting for Kanter & Favors growth)? The offense is more dynamic too. Ahem Jazz.
Doesn't your question point to Corbin?
Not necessarily.
Corbin doesn't control other teams getting better. That was grilled to blackness before the season.
Corbin doesn't make his players miss wide open shots.
Corbin has made every obvious offensive adjustment that he wasn't able to make with last season's personnel.
Corbin's offense is showing more dynamism every game.
I've liked the way Corbin has planned for each game separately. JF has hated him for it.
Corbin may never be in a situation where he can be fairly evaluated. Jazz need a go to player in the back court to do so.
I'd like to challenge that a bit.....just look at one stat on the current Jazz roster to illustrate, ppg for those in the league more than 8 years.
Year 3 avg: 10.5
Year 4-8 avg: 14.1
Increase: 3.6 ppg or 34%
Notably: Mo: 12.1 to 17.4; Al: 16 to 20.5; Jamaal 8.3 to 12.4 (even look at Raja, 3.1 to 13.2)
6 of 7 players increased their scoring average
Exception: Marvin 14.8 to 11.2
Assuming average advancement for Hayward, he'll settle in around 18 ppg, I would not be too upset about that.
Perusing the rest of the league, I don't think the Jazz are outliers here. Also holds up perusing other non-scoring metrics. There is clearly improvement through year 3 and in some cases beyond.