TheStormofWar
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Cheapest to move on from, assuming no trades.Surprised you guys reckon they'll move on from Butler so quickly, that said he hardly set the world on fire last year.
Cheapest to move on from, assuming no trades.Surprised you guys reckon they'll move on from Butler so quickly, that said he hardly set the world on fire last year.
Point guard is a position of need, I think he stays UNLESS he sucks eggs in camp.I like Lee kind of… but Detroit gave us cash considerations equal to Lee’s salary… so that tells me he isn’t a sweetener but an add in. They will likely look at him through camp and if he plays well he may not get cut but as of right now I think he’s #1 on the chopping block.
Zeller sucks!!!! Why do you hate Dok so much?Waive Butler, Johnson, Dok and Bolmaro and Zeller makes the roster.
He lacks quickness and explosion and can’t generate his own shot. Man closest to the door IMO.Surprised you guys reckon they'll move on from Butler so quickly, that said he hardly set the world on fire last year.
I'm curious what kind of player you think Bolmaro is. I've been under the impression that his perimeter defense is his calling card at this point.i'd even take forrest over bolmaro. at least forrest got perimeter D that translates. none of bolmaro's skills translate to the NBA. waive bolmaro and bring back forrest
It will be whoever it's cheapest to waive, since the contracts stay on the books. I'm guessing Butler, Johnson, Lee.
Cheapest to move on from, assuming no trades.
If they stay on the books then why does being the cheapest matter?
Bolmaro’s defense BPM was -0.7 last season. Forrest by comparison is +1.2.I'm curious what kind of player you think Bolmaro is. I've been under the impression that his perimeter defense is his calling card at this point.
At this point, who wants Gay as a throw in? I mean, I can see the theory. But he has negative value with his contract, and that seems unlikely to change. What kind of deal opens up for us with Gay that is unavailable without? I'm having a hard time thinking of realistic scenarios.At least one of Lee and Butler will most likely get cut. Both have contracts that expire after this season.
Stanley Johnson could be on the bubble. His contract is only partially guaranteed.
I'm sure the Jazz would *love* to unload Rudy Gay, but he'll probably hang around as a throw-in for a future trade.
That’s an interesting observation and why this season though flagged as a “no contest” is going to be so interesting (for nerds like me anyway). What in the hell did we have to be excited about preseason last year? We had two journeymen signings in Gay and Whiteside and a second rounder that had won the MVP in his team’s championship game. As fans I think we all clamored around Butler because what the hell else did we have to be excited about? How did management think that that collection of misfits could move the needle for us. Whereas, any of Fontechio, Beasley, Vando even THT would have been a welcome addition and we haven’t even addressed our new potential double digit earning Stars.Funny how we all went from being so excited about Butler before the season last year to thinking there's a good chance he gets cut this year. Even the media was really high on him last year, I remember the press conference with Quin during pre-season when he snapped at the reporters and said that so far, they'd asked him twice as many questions about Butler as they had about Rudy and Donovan combined.
After a massively underwhelming summer league campaign, that's what you get.Funny how we all went from being so excited about Butler before the season last year to thinking there's a good chance he gets cut this year. Even the media was really high on him last year, I remember the press conference with Quin during pre-season when he snapped at the reporters and said that so far, they'd asked him twice as many questions about Butler as they had about Rudy and Donovan combined.
Please don't tell me you're trusting BPM as the arbiter of defense between these two guys with limited playing time early in their careers.Bolmaro’s defense BPM was -0.7 last season. Forrest by comparison is +1.2.
bolmaro is jack of all trades expert at none type of guy. OK at a lot of things but not really good at anything.
He could become the MVP of European league or Chinese league one day. But at the NBA he simply has zero skill that would translate
"potential" is the other word for "in development" i.e "not good enough". until bolmaro shows some stuff that is good enough for the NBA, he will struggle seeing the floor.Please don't tell me you're trusting BPM as the arbiter of defense between these two guys with limited playing time early in their careers.
(By the way, I was pro-Forrest, so I'm not trying to knock him. I'd have been happy for the Jazz to keep him, but given the circumstances, it was just not to be.)
I don't really know where the jack-of-all-trades kind of assessment for Bolmaro is coming from. I have him pegged very differently: very aggressive defender with lots of perimeter defensive potential (may need a bit of refinement, but he's only 22 with limited NBA experience); great potential guarding anyone from 1s - standard-sized wings. OK at playmaking (though I think his pre-draft reputation was higher here than I think he's shown yet). Severely lacking in scoring ability at the NBA level at this point (so becoming a non-NBA league MVP seems like a real stretch, since scoring often factors heavily into that award).