GVC
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Brandon Rush
Who wants to pull the stats? Our eyes cannot lie to us can they?
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Korver? Carroll?
QuinSnydersHair
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I want to keep Carroll. I like GVC's call on Rush but wasn't he injured badly early this season?
Stifle Tower
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So it is written, so it shall be done.
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GVC
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For completeness, here are the stats for the 6 players with/without Foye:
DeMarre Carroll
Total: +6.0 (1000)
w/ Foye: +5.5 (368)
w/o Foye: +6.2 (632)
Marvin Williams
Total: -2.1 (1410)
w/ Foye: -5.5 (934)
w/o Foye: +4.4 (476)
Enes Kanter
Total: +6.0 (964)
w/ Foye: +6.6 (256)
w/o Foye: +5.8 (708)
Derrick Favors
Total: -2.2 (1332)
w/ Foye: -6.1 (578)
w/o Foye: +0.9 (754)
Gordon Hayward
Total: +1.8 (1484)
w/ Foye: -7.4 (362)
w/o Foye: +4.8 (1122)
Alec Burks
Total: +4.8 (881)
w/ Foye: +17.1 (236)
w/o Foye: +0.4 (645)
DeMarre Carroll
Total: +6.0 (1000)
w/ Foye: +5.5 (368)
w/o Foye: +6.2 (632)
Marvin Williams
Total: -2.1 (1410)
w/ Foye: -5.5 (934)
w/o Foye: +4.4 (476)
Enes Kanter
Total: +6.0 (964)
w/ Foye: +6.6 (256)
w/o Foye: +5.8 (708)
Derrick Favors
Total: -2.2 (1332)
w/ Foye: -6.1 (578)
w/o Foye: +0.9 (754)
Gordon Hayward
Total: +1.8 (1484)
w/ Foye: -7.4 (362)
w/o Foye: +4.8 (1122)
Alec Burks
Total: +4.8 (881)
w/ Foye: +17.1 (236)
w/o Foye: +0.4 (645)
GVC
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And finally, the team stats with/without Al/Foye:
Utah Jazz
Total: -0.4 (3107)
w/ Al: -3.7 (1968)
w/o Al: +5.4 (1139)
w/ Foye: -3.3 (1735)
w/o Foye: +3.4 (1372)
w/ Foye and Al: -4.6 (1367)
w/ Foye (no Al): +1.6 (368)
w/ Al (no Foye): -1.4 (601)
w/ at least one of Al/Foye: -2.8 (2336)
w/ neither Al nor Foye: +7.2 (771)
Utah Jazz
Total: -0.4 (3107)
w/ Al: -3.7 (1968)
w/o Al: +5.4 (1139)
w/ Foye: -3.3 (1735)
w/o Foye: +3.4 (1372)
w/ Foye and Al: -4.6 (1367)
w/ Foye (no Al): +1.6 (368)
w/ Al (no Foye): -1.4 (601)
w/ at least one of Al/Foye: -2.8 (2336)
w/ neither Al nor Foye: +7.2 (771)
Basketball_Romantic23
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Wow... This is seriously Crazy !!
Basketball_Romantic23
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Jefferson's Defense is like historically bad and the Article by Zack Lowe https://www.grantland.com/story/_/i...n-paul-millsap-tyrone-corbin-future-utah-jazz Really helps to reveal how bad his defense is. If we got Rid of Mo williams and reduced Foye's minutes, the Jazz would be much better served on the defensive end.
GVC
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Before someone comes in and ****s on these stats, I'll reiterate that I understand that these statistics do not take into account other teammates or opposing players.
Further, these stats do not correct for uneven possessions. That is, some of these combos have an extra offensive possession more frequently than they have an extra defensive possession when they play together. For combinations with low minutes, and especially for combinations with low minutes per game played together and low minutes overall, this could be a significant problem.
The stats from the Al/Sap thread are much more reliable (similar roles/teammates/opponents, 3 year sample).
Further, these stats do not correct for uneven possessions. That is, some of these combos have an extra offensive possession more frequently than they have an extra defensive possession when they play together. For combinations with low minutes, and especially for combinations with low minutes per game played together and low minutes overall, this could be a significant problem.
The stats from the Al/Sap thread are much more reliable (similar roles/teammates/opponents, 3 year sample).
GVC
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Yeah, I didn't realize it was such a serious injury. He'll almost certainly pick up his option.
I was just about to come in and say people were drawing conclusions without taking everything into consideration. You have to conisder that when Al Jefferson is on the floor, the other team's starters are on the floor. The Jazz's bench is a lot better than most benches in the NBA, obviously the +/- stats are going to favor the times when Al Jefferson is out. If you brought him off the bench the numbers would be different. I don't think Al Jefferson is the principle contributing factor.
GVC
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You should take a look at the Al/Paul thread then. I used data from all 3 seasons they've played together. They play similar roles, with similar teammates, against similar opponents. Al is not much of a difference maker.
https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php?14789-Al-Paul-Lineups-since-2010-11
NAOS
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MoreFeasts
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If you really wanted to do this right, you would take a few different 3 and 4 player lineups, and see how they do with Al +/or Foye and without. although it still does not account for the opposition, whihc is a big importnat variable.
MoreFeasts
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If you really wanted to do this right, you would take a few different 3 and 4 player lineups, and see how they do with Al +/or Foye and without, although it still does not account for the opposition, which is a big important variable.