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Whose team is the Jazz?

Who Is The Jazz Floor Leader?

  • Hayward

    Votes: 3 50.0%

  • Gobert

    Votes: 3 50.0%

  • Favors

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Burke

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Who Cares

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    6
  • Poll closed .
Having the most talent or the ball in your hands for the majority of the time does not make somebody a leader. To me, being a leader is about putting the team & your teammates ahead of yourself, doing whatever it takes to help your team win, supporting your teammates at all times & any cost, helping put them in a position to succeed, making them better (not only with your play, but with your presence/guidance), leading by example, knowing what needs to be said & saying it in a constructive manner, etc. While Hayward clearly has a lot of those qualities, imo Gobert best exemplifies what it means to be a leader out of the players on this roster. Hayward has undoubtedly been the unquestioned leader of this team since Jefferson & Millsap left via FA, but (again imo) Gobert took over that role at the end of the season.

In the end tho, I honestly don't believe that any of the players on this roster are thinking in those terms. The rest of the roster may have looked up to/followed the lead of Hayward, Favors, Gobert, Ingles, & Booker (to varying degrees), but imo one of the biggest factors in the chemistry/cohesion that the team displayed last season was largely due to the fact that the team (as a whole) views themselves as a collective unit rather than a collection of individuals following a specific leader. A team doesn't need one undisputed leader, it can follow the leads of different players in different situations. Imo, this is the main reason that the FO has targeted high-character players & it appears to be paying off.
 
Cy said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kr149lTvSDo

Hayward has proven his alpha personality.

And yeah, leadership was thrust on him and this was the first year he really took the reigns and proved that he could.

You have been proven wrong through a Ninja Turtles metaphor. Please stahp arguing.
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*reins
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWbYyto7h7Q

They won by 0.1 seconds, awesome memory.
 
The team needs a core of 1-2 leaders and loyal followers by other top talent. Saw the ESPN 30 for 30 on Isiah / Lambier's Pistons, and while I hate them they had an amazingly strong culture. Lambier would talk to rookies and newcomers and lay it out "this is the Pistons, this is how we do things here" and there was the flock who all followed the rules so new players knew they needed to blend in.

The late year Stockton/Malone Jazz were sad as the culture had broken down and the legend's followers were absent. Stock talks about this in his book and reflects on it as partially his responsibility. The young kids had no respect.

You need a strong coach, but floor leaders are just as important.

And you don't win championships without a top-flight culture.
 
I was not as big a fan of Sloan as some people on this board, but one thing I always loved was that he was clearly the leader. Stockton and Malone were HOF players, but it was always clear that Sloan was the man.

Snyder has that same quality. It comes natural to him, even though he was not an NBA player. Unlike Sloan he is forward thinking and innovative. For that reason not only do I see him as the leader of this team, but I also believe he will ultimately be regarded as Utah's best coach ever. Once he wins his first chip the deal will be sealed.
 
Cy said:
Pretty sure you are the wrong one.

The guy with the ball on his hands is usually going to be the leader. 95% of the time this is the case.

Defensive minded guys who can't score on their own aren't really considered leaders. They can be an emotional leader or a "rah rah" type, but they aren't the guy who the team is going to turn to when the score is tied with 24 seconds left in regulation. That guy is the leader.
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True.

Gobert is the other 5%.

Much like the Nuggets and Hawks were Dikembe Mutumbo's team when he was around there, even though for the Hawks Mookie Blaylock and Steve Smith were the superior scorers.
 
karl malone said:
Having the most talent or the ball in your hands for the majority of the time does not make somebody a leader. To me, being a leader is about putting the team & your teammates ahead of yourself, doing whatever it takes to help your team win, supporting your teammates at all times & any cost, helping put them in a position to succeed, making them better (not only with your play, but with your presence/guidance), leading by example, knowing what needs to be said & saying it in a constructive manner, etc. While Hayward clearly has a lot of those qualities, imo Gobert best exemplifies what it means to be a leader out of the players on this roster. Hayward has undoubtedly been the unquestioned leader of this team since Jefferson & Millsap left via FA, but (again imo) Gobert took over that role at the end of the season.

In the end tho, I honestly don't believe that any of the players on this roster are thinking in those terms. The rest of the roster may have looked up to/followed the lead of Hayward, Favors, Gobert, Ingles, & Booker (to varying degrees), but imo one of the biggest factors in the chemistry/cohesion that the team displayed last season was largely due to the fact that the team (as a whole) views themselves as a collective unit rather than a collection of individuals following a specific leader. A team doesn't need one undisputed leader, it can follow the leads of different players in different situations. Imo, this is the main reason that the FO has targeted high-character players & it appears to be paying off.
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I like this post, Mr. Mailman. How many NBA champions have there been without an undisputed leader?

Regarding Rudy vs. Gordon, if it were a pickup game and Gordon was on one side and Rudy on the other, which one would have more Jazz teammates wanting to join their team?
 
str8line said:
I like this post, Mr. Mailman. How many NBA champions have there been without an undisputed leader?

Regarding Rudy vs. Gordon, if it were a pickup game and Gordon was on one side and Rudy on the other, which one would have more Jazz teammates wanting to join their team?
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San Antonio? Duncan has been the best player, but he's pretty quiet. Perhaps Parker was the leader or Pops? I really see it as a collective as karlmalone was getting at. SA players put the team ahead of themselves. Great example of that was their last championship season when no one averaged more than 30 mins or 17 pts/per in the regular season.
 
I think it belongs to the Miller family.
 
str8line said:
I like this post, Mr. Mailman. How many NBA champions have there been without an undisputed leader?

Regarding Rudy vs. Gordon, if it were a pickup game and Gordon was on one side and Rudy on the other, which one would have more Jazz teammates wanting to join their team?
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The Spurs?

I know everyone probably would say Tim, but I don't think you can call him the undisputed leader over Parker or Ginobili. It's kind of a group leadership team.

I think most championship teams don't have an undisputed leader.

The Lakers had Kobe and Shaq.

The Warriors had Curry and Green.

The Heat had Wade and Lebron.

Mavs had Jason Kidd and Dirk.

Celtics had Pierce and Garnett.

The team with the most undisputed leader might be Kobe when he won with Gasol. I still consider Gasol a leader though since he seems pretty vocal and team oriented.
 
Cy said:
The Spurs?

I know everyone probably would say Tim, but I don't think you can call him the undisputed leader over Parker or Ginobili. It's kind of a group leadership team.

I think most championship teams don't have an undisputed leader.

The Lakers had Kobe and Shaq.

The Warriors had Curry and Green.

The Heat had Wade and Lebron.

Mavs had Jason Kidd and Dirk.

Celtics had Pierce and Garnett.

The team with the most undisputed leader might be Kobe when he won with Gasol. I still consider Gasol a leader though since he seems pretty vocal and team oriented.
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I don't think the leader is necesarily the guy we view as the most vocal, nor do I find that a prerequisite. Stockton was at least half of the leadership of our team as far as the players go and he was pretty quiet. Curry is pretty quiet. There have been others. Not every leader is "IN YOUR FACE" about it. I would love to hear who the players think their leader is.
 
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