Why do we restrict the voting rights of felons?

[Stoked]

Um....

You disagree about pot smoking having the same controls as tabacco or are you arguing that tabacco does not have any controls?

 

[NUMBERICA]

Michigan's problem is when they realized their mistake, they were not allowed to bankrupt out of it due to pressure from Unions.

And your problem is that you seem to think that the only people that make errors are people you've identified as enemies.

 

[Stoked]

And your problem is that the only people that make errors are people you've identified as enemies.

Damn that is a good line.

 

[franklin]

This is what I don't get at all. If African Americans would take a step back from all the sound bites and rhetoric, what have dems done for them? Look at where they are living. Look at the crime in their neighborhoods. Look at their schools. Look at their income levels. Most "black" neighborhoods are in mostly blue states (NY, PA, Mass, Cali). How exactly has voting democrat helped them?

Seeing how the dems went after African Americans, and how a large majority of them are now dependent on the government to survive really makes me worry about how they are now targeting Hispanics. As a Hispanic, we are better than that and I worry that we will buy into the crap dems feed us and turn us into African Americans that depend on the government.

The path to success in this country is hard work, a valuable education (not all degrees are created equal), and the ability to be independent. The problem with democrats is they want you to believe the path to success is redistribution (ie, not hard work, but get yours from someone else), garbage education (ie, social sciences. What a worthless degree. You literally have no skills, other than teaching and government jobs with a social science degree. Talk about making people reliant upon you. Get this degree, then you will have to work for me, because the degree in itself is worthless), and to be dependent on others. You can't afford healthcare, you can't afford a business, if we don't loan you the money, you can't afford a house, you didn't make your business, we all did together, etc, etc, etc.

Inner city poverty is extremely complex and nobody can really figure out why these issues persist despite continued attempts to help certain neighborhoods. The only two things we really know is response has been minimal & that we should continue government support while researching and crafting more effective policies. The last thing we should do is blame plight on government dependency and pull the welfare lifeline completely out.

https://www.huduser.org/Periodicals/CITYSCPE/VOL3NUM3/article3.pdf

Notice the role that a decline in manufacturing jobs per capita and their migration to rural areas with cheap land had on growing poverty. The housing initiative was a failed response.

 

[TroutBum]

Obama? When you have nothing to stand on, throw out insults. Prove me wrong. Show me where I am wrong. But...wait...you can't. It has nothing to do with racism. It is factual.

Typical left wing dumbass. We wonder why nothing has been accomplished the past two years, here is a perfect example. Instead of trying to have an intelligent conversation, you prove you lack it and jump right to insults.

You can't make this **** up.

 

[Stoked]

Inner city poverty is extremely complex and nobody can really figure out why these issues persist despite continued attempts to help certain neighborhoods. The only two things we really know is response has been minimal & that we should continue government support while researching and crafting more effective policies. The last thing we should do is blame plight on government dependency and pull the welfare lifeline completely out.

https://www.huduser.org/Periodicals/CITYSCPE/VOL3NUM3/article3.pdf

Notice the role that a decline in manufacturing jobs per capita and their migration to rural areas with cheap land had on growing poverty. The housing initiative was a failed response.

Our children should be our number one concern. We have failed large numbers of them. Giving them cutting edge education and a decent chance at anything they want to do in life should be at the top of a short list if things that must be done no matter what.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Our children should be our number one concern. We have failed large numbers of them. Giving them cutting edge education and a decent chance at anything they want to do in life should be at the top of a short list if things that must be done no matter what.

Absolutely.

 

[SaltyDawg]

I know in your undying quest to hotbox 24 hours a day in your car while driving that you need to make alcohol and tobacco as villainous as possible, but I have seen little evidence that nicotine is as practically addictive as opiates, cocaine, or meth.

But you caught me, tobacco is physiologically addictive. I just can't imagine a lot of people murdering people to get their fix. Call me crazy.

You can't imagine it because it's legal. Why would anyone commit a crime for it if you can buy a whole pack for $4 totally legal?

Tobacco is way more addictive than you're giving it credit for.

Somewhat back on topic... In prison, where cigarettes are harder to come by, people fight and kill for them all the time.

 

[SaltyDawg]

You disagree about pot smoking having the same controls as tabacco or are you arguing that tabacco does not have any controls?

Arguing that tobacco is addictive.

 

[franklin]

Our children should be our number one concern. We have failed large numbers of them. Giving them cutting edge education and a decent chance at anything they want to do in life should be at the top of a short list if things that must be done no matter what.

Our schools are just fine.

This forum has a tendency to focus on politicking things to death instead of policy recommendations. What do you think will help all these children you think we've failed? Hint: throwing money at inner city education is not an answer.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Somewhat back on topic... In prison, where cigarettes are harder to come by, people fight and kill for them all the time.

I have no idea HOW true this is or how frequent something like this would happen, but it passes the smell test so it's a little compelling. However, the test group is convicted felons. And likely convicted of violent crimes. So...

But interesting point. I don't agree, though. The amount of tobacco a person has to ingest in contrast to something like opiates is not at all proportional. Partially because tobacco gives a very slight high and that goes away pretty quick with regular usage.

I also don't smoke. And I wouldn't throw a fit if it was made illegal. But I do think such an action would make legalization of marijuana (which I am all about) more difficult, and you could make an argument that it's legality is grandfathered. This is outside of the whole free to choose yada argument.

 

[SaltyDawg]

Our schools are just fine.

This forum has a tendency to focus on politicking things to death instead of policy recommendations. What do you think will help all these children you think we've failed? Hint: throwing money at inner city education is not an answer.

Right, because all the best teachers are just dying to work in the crappiest areas, crappiest buildings, crappiest tools (books, boards, computers, etc), with the most over crowded classrooms. They'd certainly rather do that instead of working in the best areas, with the best buildings, best equipment and tools, with smaller class sizes.

What can we do without throwing money at it? Allow teachers to spank kids. Let them pick up the slack when parents don't do their job.