Withey accused of domestic violence

[Siro]

I don't know if you are just trying to troll me or if these are questions you really have. I don't think this is the place or the forum to discuss this.

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You're treating the word "law" as if it means "indisputable truth". There is no such laws in science. A better word would be principle. Scientific fields collect these principles into "theories". The word theory doesn't mean anything you can pull out of your ***, and the word law doesn't mean something is above dispute. The theories of evolution, quantum mechanics, relativity, etc, are as certain as anything can be in science. Yet, they are theories.

There is nothing about psychology, or any other "soft" science, that makes it immune to the scientific method.

 

[♪alt13]

It sounded like that is what you said to do.

No they should publicly say that their position is to let the investigation run its course. Some may think that that is too neutral but the Jazz are not the police. They shoyld recognize that that is beyond their scope and let the people equipped to handle this handle it. Sorry if I wasn't clear.

 

[Miggs]

No they should publicly say that their position is to let the investigation run its course. Some may think that that is too neutral but the Jazz are not the police. They shoyld recognize that that is beyond their scope and let the people equipped to handle this handle it. Sorry if I wasn't clear.

I'm not saying you're wrong but if the NFL had taken this course of action the last few years, the public backlash they would have received would have been infinitely worse than what it did take on.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

No they should publicly say that their position is to let the investigation run its course. Some may think that that is too neutral but the Jazz are not the police. They shoyld recognize that that is beyond their scope and let the people equipped to handle this handle it. Sorry if I wasn't clear.

I agree with this and 1971 above. Let it play out but if there is video evidence go ahead and get in front of it.

One thing I believe is we have a really classy organization... I have faith they do the right thing.

 

[♪alt13]

No winners here. Either he's a scumbag or she is or both.

I think the timing really sucks and puts the organization in a can't win scenario... assume guilt and dismiss the guy... tell everyone you need it to play out and then get accused of being pro-abuse

This year man... injuries and bs like this... wasn't supposed to be this way.

I don't think either one of them is a scumbag. I had an abusive stepfather he isn't a scumbag but he wasn't a good stepfather either. I have known multiple people both men and women who have been convicted of domestic violence charges. They aren't scumbags but they did have problems. I think you have to allow people to move forward. Our court system is perfectly capable if not overly so of dishing out punishment.
I'm sure that both of these people are good people. If Withey hit his fiance he cannot change that now but he can change his actions going forward. Whether or not his fiance was in an abusive relationship it's clear that she made the right decision to break it off. Further if she endured trauma that makes her apprehensive about him being in Los Angeles then she made the right decision to file charges.
Both of these people have some serious s*** to deal with. People should avoid sticking their foot in their mouth.

 

[Park Bites]

You're treating the word "law" as if it means "indisputable truth". There is no such laws in science. A better word would be principle. Scientific fields collect these principles into "theories". The word theory doesn't mean anything you can pull out of your ***, and the word law doesn't mean something is above dispute. The theories of evolution, quantum mechanics, relativity, etc, are as certain as anything can be in science. Yet, they are theories.

There is nothing about psychology, or any other "soft" science, that makes it immune to the scientific method.

Now you are putting words into my mouth. I never said a law was irrefutable and that the scientific method does not apply to psychology.

In physics and chemistry there are many many laws along with mathematics.

There are many many theories in science but to use the scientific method in psychology is very tough because people are so different that what may be true of one may not be true of another.



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[Stoked]

I'm not saying you're wrong but if the NFL had taken this course of action the last few years, the public backlash they would have received would have been infinitely worse than what it did take on.

Well, not all cases are equal.

Compare the Withey case and the Ray Rice case. In Withey's case there is a year old police call with no written report and no charges. Now she comes out. It's all unsubstantiated and allegations.

In Ray Rice's case there was video of him laying her out and dragging her around. People could see with their own eyes it happened.

If there is video of Withey smacking her around or something then the Jazz need to drop kick him out the door and the NBA needs to be rid of him as well.

 

[JazzForLifee]

hope this is not true...


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[Siro]

There are very few laws that apply to psychology. The scientific method doesn't work for psychology.

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Now you are putting words into my mouth. I never said a law was irrefutable and that the scientific method does not apply to psychology.

In physics and chemistry there are many many laws along with mathematics.

There are many many theories in science but to use the scientific method in psychology is very tough because people are so different that what may be true of one may not be true of another.



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Nope. Using your words. You did say that the scientific method doesn't work in psychology, and the distinction you made between "law" and "theory" can only be interpreted to mean that one is more certain than the other, which is incorrect.

It is true that coming up with more universal theories in psychology is difficult. But people aren't that different from one another, and there has been a significant push toward empiricism in the last century. In fact, psychology without the application of the scientific method isn't psychology at all. It's just a bunch of people shooting the ****.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I don't think either one of them is a scumbag. I had an abusive stepfather he isn't a scumbag but he wasn't a good stepfather either. I have known multiple people both men and women who have been convicted of domestic violence charges. They aren't scumbags but they did have problems. I think you have to allow people to move forward. Our court system is perfectly capable if not overly so of dishing out punishment.
I'm sure that both of these people are good people. If Withey hit his fiance he cannot change that now but he can change his actions going forward. Whether or not his fiance was in an abusive relationship it's clear that she made the right decision to break it off. Further if she endured trauma that makes her apprehensive about him being in Los Angeles then she made the right decision to file charges.
Both of these people have some serious s*** to deal with. People should avoid sticking their foot in their mouth.

Was not questioning her timing... just saying it's bad for the organization.

Okay they aren't scumbags but one of them did something awful. Either Jeff abused her or she's bitter and causing him issues. It's a terrible action either way that's what I was trying to convey.

I was also raised in a home where abuse took place... i get that people who do awful things can also do good things too.

 

[cctrackstar]

what the hell, i'm gonna do it:

[video=youtube_share;1eUWwMBnEB8]https://youtu.be/1eUWwMBnEB8

(yes i know it's horribly insensitive, as all famly guy stuff is, but i hate porn that much)

 

[Rubashov]

Some people probably wont like this but if you get involved with 'girls like that' when it goes wrong you've got to expect **** like this.

Who knows what's gone on, what happens behind closed doors is anyone's guess. I don't know the bloke and i've got no idea, there might be something in it if a bunch of other girls come forward. I hope the opposite happens and a couple of his ex's come to his defence.