Never Trump

[Miggs]

aint multiple parties dope? I'm telling y'all. The best thing that could come out of this election is y'all moving away from the oligarchic 2-party gridlock. It hurts to think that I have to mention the benefits of having more than two parties competing.

Hurt to mention? Every single person on this board knows the two party system blows. No one's supporting it.

 

[♪alt13]

Thanks, that was informative. I agreed with many things, but disagreed with many things.

Interesting that he brought up isidewith.com... I went back and looked at my numbers and he was a worse match for me than everyone except for Sanders.

Johnson and Bernie were my top 2

 

[NAOS]

The Atlantic wrote a piece awhile back about the rise of the Working Families Party back east. In it, there's some fascinating discussion about the advantages of two-party politics over, say, three or four. If party politics is a problem, then adding more parties isn't necessarily the answer. Every party scene needs to be gamed; sometimes having fewer parties makes the game easier.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/01/working-families-party/422949/

 

[JimLes]

Hillary is very much centre-right, with exception to 1) abortion laws; 2) same-sex marriage laws (which I know colton was against just 1-2 years ago); and 3) gun-control. People can cry nepotism, but I'm sure people here would choose Jeb Bush over Hillary.

See, the scary thing is that even positions you listed above aren't necessarily progressive in the traditional sense of the word. When majority of Americans support gay marriage(easily by a double digit margin according to recent polls), I'm not sure how you can argue that Hilary supporting gay marriage is anything but moderate and mainstream. I won't even get into how late she jumped on this bandwagon.

Same thing with abortion. According to a Gallup poll from mid-2015, 50% of Americans consider themselves pro-choice. 44% consider themselves pro-life. The rest are presumably people who have been living under a rock the last 40 years. Again, how are her views here not aligning with the majority?

Again from Gallup. 55% of Americans last year wanted stricter gun control laws, 33% wanted them kept the same, and 11% wanted less strict gun laws. How is Hilary not moderate here?

 

[JimLes]

Also, is it me, but does the term "moderate" have two different and distinct meanings depending on whether the person using it to describe themselves generally votes Republican or Democratic?

If you're a Democrat, it seems to mean "My views broadly align with whatever the general public believes right now, though I sure as hell didn't have most of these views 10 or even five years ago."

If you're a Republican, it seems to mean "My views broadly align with whatever the general public believed in 15-20 years ago."

 

[Stoked]

I know we're all televisually trained to think we're seeing off-script/unprecedented stuff, but there really isn't much to see here. Hillary has a clear road to the White House -- after the masses are entertained by more of the best televisual electoral stunts evar. And, from many different perspectives, a Hillary presidency won't be very different from Bill, W, or Obama's.

And I have a big problem with that.

 

[Stoked]

aint multiple parties dope? I'm telling y'all. The best thing that could come out of this election is y'all moving away from the oligarchic 2-party gridlock. It hurts to think that I have to mention the benefits of having more than two parties competing.

Hallelujah!

 

[NAOS]

And I have a big problem with that.

good.

And, if so, you should be feeling the Bern about now.

 

[Cappy_Smurf]

As a life-long moderate Republican who will never vote for Donald Trump, nor Clinton/Sanders, I'm now considering my options. Barring a third party run by someone like Romney or Bloomberg, I'm thinking maybe Gary Johnson. Does anyone know much about him? Anyone else I should consider?

Voting for anyone but Trump will be the same as voting for Hillary, though. I think a lot of republicans feel this way, which is why Hillary is going to be the next president.

 

[Deleted member 848]

remember those political compass things we did?

I guess you can compare where you scored with this graph.

 

[b_line]

remember those political compass things we did?

I guess you can compare where you scored with this graph.

I didn't do it, how do I find it?

Also, that seems like bernie is a little farther right than the perception.

 

[NAOS]

Also, that seems like bernie is a little farther right than the perception.

Hmmmmm.... I wonder why that incorrect public perception exists and persists???