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DutchJazzer said:
selling a product you don't have is called a con

you should not do business with con-artists, overbooking is a CON!


so i hope united airlines stock price drops by 90%
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That is not a con since it is explained and in the contract you have with the airline. They also never take away your flight without compensation beyond what you paid for. They also never kick you off the flight once you are on. They ask for volunteers. Such as this case where this man voluntarily gave up his ticket.

But okay lets say its a con. Should every airline drop by 90% since every major airline in the world does it and has been for 20+ years?
 
Ron Mexico said:
Okay, ill concede that explaining why government subsidies exist for airlines is too complicated for this discussion.

Lets go off what you are saying: Businesses try and make money and if they can make more money and be more efficient they do.

So based on that your entire argument is that the Airline messed up because of their policy to be more efficient and profitable? Your only problem now is that they have a policy to overbook? Have you conceded the other arguments you were making?

If not lets here your argument for the rest.

Clearly the airline will apologize. This has been a PR nightmare for them and they (as we just established are a business trying to make money) will do whatever to get positive PR.
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I've never said that businesses only want to be efficient and profitable. I believe when it comes to business the customers and how we look after them is first and foremost the most important. I am in business, I know this very well.


Yes you try to make your business run efficiently so it is cost effective, but 'price' is not the only consideration when it comes to services, a level a care is also very important. Sometimes you do have to understand that people are people, and that's what counts at the end of the day. Never lose sight of that.
 
ONE LOVE said:
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I've never said that businesses only want to be efficient and profitable. I believe when it comes to business the customers and how we look after them is first and foremost the most important. I am in business, I know this very well.


Yes you try to make your business run efficiently so it is cost effective, but 'price' is not the only consideration when it comes to services, a level a care is also very important. Sometimes you do have to understand that people are people, and that's what counts at the end of the day.
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So based on that your entire argument is that the Airline messed up because of their policy to be more efficient and profitable? Your only problem now is that they have a policy to overbook? Have you conceded the other arguments you were making?

If not lets hear your argument for the rest.
 
ONE LOVE said:
I've never said that businesses only want to be efficient and profitable. I believe when it comes to business the customers and how we look after them is first and foremost the most important. I am in business, I know this very well.


Yes you try to make your business run efficiently so it is cost effective, but 'price' is not the only consideration when it comes to services, a level a care is also very important. Sometimes you do have to understand that people are people, and that's what counts at the end of the day. Never lose sight of that.
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So what if someone ordered something from you. They came in to pick it up but your distributer had had not delivered it. You offered them a refund plus 1000$ and the item for free but they refused to leave your store until you gave them what you didn't have? Would you call the police? Are you responsible if after resisting to leave your business the police get physical with this person?

It's the same thing. You are selling something that you don't have. You hope to have it by the time the customer needs it but you may not.
 
ONE LOVE said:
I've never said that businesses only want to be efficient and profitable. I believe when it comes to business the customers and how we look after them is first and foremost the most important. I am in business, I know this very well.


Yes you try to make your business run efficiently so it is cost effective, but 'price' is not the only consideration when it comes to services, a level a care is also very important. Sometimes you do have to understand that people are people, and that's what counts at the end of the day. Never lose sight of that.
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They are thinking of the customer numbnuts. Example, there are several flights from SLC to places in Montana, Idaho, Wyoming...those are not profitable flights. When you figure in fuel, labor, equipment, etc, those flights are running a loss. They have to make it up somehow.

Furthermore, if you're in business, you should know that you can't just look at what one place cites as profit, and take something away from it without looking at all the other numbers involved. There's just a lot of people that want it both ways, and aren't realistic or capable of understanding simple economics.
 
♪alt13 said:
So what if someone ordered something from you. They came in to pick it up but you distributer had had not delivered it. You offered them a refund plus 1000$ and the item for free but they refused to leave your store until you gave them what you didn't have? Would you call the police? Are you responsible if after resisting to leave your business the police get physical with this person?
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It's hard to compare because we're a much smaller company. I can tell you I've literally given stuff away just so we can get an issue resolved without involving the police.
 
Ron Mexico said:
It is not really a problem that often and it is the only way for airlines to make money. The other solution is to have the government subsidize them more(which I am opposed to). It works out well for most people. When you have flexibility to get off a flight what they offer you is usually worth it. I did it all the time when I traveled for work and got lots of free flights and hotel stays.
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if airlines cant make money, then they have no right to exist!
 
DutchJazzer said:
if airlines cant make money, then they have no right to exist!
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Well they do because subsidies helped them exist. Otherwise we probably would not have airlines to the extent we have them today. Fortunately some people who could see the big picture better than you made it happen and the world is a better place because of it. You only make money because of the government so I guess you have no right to exist either.
 
Ron Mexico said:
Those numbers are very deceiving. There is a reason for the subsidies.

Even if they are true why would an airline run flights at a loss? They wouldn't they would stop flying to those locations that lose them money and focus on the ones that make money. This is how free market business works. Businesses do not lose money on things without any benefit to them.

If you get a job at Uber for example would you drive multiple people somewhere every day to a location and receive less money than it costs you in gas to get them there?
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I wasn't saying they would run flights at a loss. I was saying they would make billions of dollars.

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I bet changes get made due to this incident
 
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