Playoffs 2018 Thread

[MVP]

The refs easily cost the Cavs 10 pts in this game. From the overturned foul call to the bad calls made on clean strips.

I usually agree with you but I think you are overreacting here. Overturn foul call was correct decision as Lebron was still moving. While we can argue that the rule to review it was favouring GSW it is mute point, the foul should have gone against Lebron on the floor anyway. While I agree that there was 3 bad calls vs Cavs ( Loney strip, Lebron foul on Durant and I think Green fouled somebody which was not called as well) there was 2 bad calls vs GSW ( Lebron fouled Loney on his airball layup attempt and Love clearly smacked Curry on the head during 3 pt play, thus should be a flagrant call). So at most refs cost Cavs 2 pts. And I am not even counting all Lebron push offs during his drives to the basket, guy is ridiculously good using off hand to create space and never gets called for it. You can make the case that if all calls where made perfectly correct Cavs would have won the game, but had Hill made that free throw nobody would be talking refs now. So Cavs only have themselves to blame... Epic performance by Lebron, GSW playing like crap more than 50% of the game, they had ball with 4 seconds left and game tied and yet they lost.

 

[MVP]

So Thompson got thrown out for simply contesting a jump shot? That’s dumb.

it was the way he contested it. Apparently Brothers though he tried to swing the elbow at Livingston's head. Miss or hit, attempt to elbow somebody in the head is automatic ejection.

 

[MVP]

Can we please talk about the completely unprecedented replay and change of foul call in the finals?

The only reason they can review the call is to check if it was in restricted area. Since live play happens fast and players fall down into restricted area it is difficult for ref to focus on both movement of the player, position and if his feet are in restricted area or not. While I agree that it was not close to restricted area when we see replay during live game it could have been completely different from refs point of view. Now, recently NBA changed the replay rule which allows during the review to assess if defender was in legal guarding position as well. While it is kind of stupid rule I agree that during review you can clearly see that Lebron is still moving and leaning towards left - thus it is an obvious blocking foul. Refs after review just could not ignore it and made correct overturn of original ( wrong call).
We can argue that replay criteria is bizarre, but it is what it is. Right call was made at the end which is most important thing.

 

[Keefe]

Yeah, they happen when vet point guards who shoot 80% from the line choke. But let’s throw all the blame on the biggest mental midget on both teams.

 

[fishonjazz]

it was the way he contested it. Apparently Brothers though he tried to swing the elbow at Livingston's head. Miss or hit, attempt to elbow somebody in the head is automatic ejection.

Brothers was wrong though. He didn’t swing an elbow at Livingston’s head imo.

 

[Deleted member 5000]

Cleveland is going to be a dumpster fire, Lebron won't be back and neither should Lue. Seems like an alright guy but it's obvious he is assistant coach material.

 

[MVP]

Brothers was wrong though. He didn’t swing an elbow at Livingston’s head imo.

It was a questionable call, I agree. From one angle it looked like he swung an elbow, but when they showed from the different angle I was not so sure. I think they will review it at length and may even reverse the call to save Thompson some money.

 

[Keefe]

Smith needed to just own it. Everyone knows he didn’t know the game was tied. Based on his attempt to dribble out the clock. The look on his face as Lebron walked away from him. Lmao. Dude is dumb as ****. I love how he said he thought someone was gonna call a timeout. Lmao. How about stop dribbling and you call the timeout?

 

[JazzGal]

I want GS to win the series, but I wanted to throttle Green for being such a jerk the last few minutes. I felt bad for LeBron. Tough way (or ways) to lose.

 

[8]

Makes me feel like they should review every block/charge call.
It’d be pretty ironic if any NBA official laments over having to determine two different things on one play (outside the circle, legal guarding position), but still, apparently, couldn’t correctly determine either thing.

 

[seattlejazzfan]

Should never overturn a subjective call such as block/charge. There has to be indisputable evidence to overturn a call and on that play, that doesn't exist.

 

[MVP]

Should never overturn a subjective call such as block/charge. There has to be indisputable evidence to overturn a call and on that play, that doesn't exist.

Can you clarify what do you mean by indisputable? To me that call is 100% block, Lebron is both leaning towards left and has not set his feet. Granted I am not an NBA ref ( did ref basketball though in amateur leagues)...but if 3 refs looking at the replay decided to overturn it I assume to them it was indisputable that it was a block and incorrect call needed to be overturned.

 

[seattlejazzfan]

Can you clarify what do you mean by indisputable? To me that call is 100% block, Lebron is both leaning towards left and has not set his feet. Granted I am not an NBA ref ( did ref basketball though in amateur leagues)...but if 3 refs looking at the replay decided to overturn it I assume to them it was indisputable that it was a block and incorrect call needed to be overturned.

Well i think it was a charge. Steve Javie thought it was a charge. And others as well. If Javie thought it was a charge(other refs have too), then it's disputable.

But more than that. You review whether a guy's foot is on the line. Whether the ball is out of bounds. Those are objective calls requiring eyes- no judgement. Foul calls by their very nature are judgment calls- especially block/charge, its the hardest call to make for a reason, the biggest judgment call there is- as such those should never be overturned.

The exception would be if a foul was called on some guy who was 10 feet away from the dude who was "fouled"- then it becomes objective, no judgment and you could go ahead and overturn.

 

[MVP]

Well i think it was a charge. Steve Javie thought it was a charge. .

If you noted Javie rarely argues with original calls on the floor... I bet he was not expecting it to be overturned and was shocked that he picked the wrong side this time lol.

 

[fishonjazz]

Smith needed to just own it. Everyone knows he didn’t know the game was tied. Based on his attempt to dribble out the clock. The look on his face as Lebron walked away from him. Lmao. Dude is dumb as ****. I love how he said he thought someone was gonna call a timeout. Lmao. How about stop dribbling and you call the timeout?

Was jr Smith the guy who shot at his own basket and got the rebound at the end of the game to pad his stats for a triple double or something?

 

[Keefe]

Was jr Smith the guy who shot at his own basket and got the rebound at the end of the game to pad his stats for a triple double or something?

Yep. And the dude who bought an armored car as a vehicle. And the dude who killed his best friend drinking and driving.

 

[fishonjazz]

Can you clarify what do you mean by indisputable? To me that call is 100% block, Lebron is both leaning towards left and has not set his feet. Granted I am not an NBA ref ( did ref basketball though in amateur leagues)...but if 3 refs looking at the replay decided to overturn it I assume to them it was indisputable that it was a block and incorrect call needed to be overturned.

But you said in your post “to me that call is a block 100%”. That’s why it’s disputable. To YOU it’s a block. To those refs in that game it’s a block. To Seattle jazz fan it’s a charge. To Steve Javie it’s a charge.
It’s disputable.
It’s a judgement. An opinion.

 

[infection]

Was jr Smith the guy who shot at his own basket and got the rebound at the end of the game to pad his stats for a triple double or something?

Ricky Davis. But that’s very funny you mention that, because the first time I saw him play I thought he was really good and thought he could be an all star if he wasn’t such a moron. When JR Smith came on the scene, he reminded me of Ricky Davis in every way, and when younger he could have been one of the top SGs in the league if his head weren’t so far up his ***.

 

[Keefe]

**** my bad. Good catch, infection.

 

[Siro]

Speaking of that overturned call. I actually agree with MVP. It is a block, and not a charge. It is not a matter of opinion. Lebron was moving his feet and leaning into Durant's path. However, the review was about whether Lebron was in the restricted area, and NOT about a tough call that the refs have to make all the time. Then they overturn the call, eventho Lebron was not in the restricted area?

Has that ever happened? Is that even within the rules?