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Et tu Brute said:


Isn't that the exact team the Jazz would put around a guy like Simmons?
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Not really. Utah is 21st in 3pt% this season at 34.6%, and while you can run some 3 shooter lineups like the Jazz were doing by just replacing Exum with Simmons, I don't really think the Jazz are capable of putting out a Simmons + 4 shooter lineup like the Bucks can with Giannis or LeBron had with the Heat and to a lesser extent the Cavs in his 2nd stint, and the Jazz also aren't able to consistently roll out that lineup while Favors is on the team as well. The slower pace of play would also hurt Simmons to a degree as he is at his absolute best in transition and he might be a top 3 player in transition behind Giannis and LeBron.

Theoretically the best kind of team around Ben Simmons in my view is a team where he plays a small ball 5 or has a C that can defend and also shoot the three (rare), and three wing shooters. I think Philly can actually do a better job of that right now than what the Jazz could as they're 15th in the league in 3pt% and have a C that's willing to take 3s and is also an elite defender, the difference/problem is that two of the guys that would be on the floor also think they should have the ball instead of just spacing the floor in Embiid and Butler. The Jazz can't offer Simmons that without other significant roster moves and a change to the style and pace they play which would drastically differ from what Snyder led teams have historically been. Not saying Snyder isn't capable of that as this year is the first year where he's been close to league average in pace compared to 30th in the Hayward years, but I don't think having to overhaul all of these things to accomodate for Simmons is worth the opportunity cost of giving up Mitchell for.
 
Mitchell also has an extra year on his rookie contract compared to Simmons who is due for an extension next offseason which significantly hamstrings the Jazz' capspace a year earlier than needed
 
Ron Mexico said:
You cant run a pick and roll with Simmons and Gobert. The defenders would just give them all the space in the world. Neither of them is a threat outside the paint. Rubio is at least somewhat of a threat to shoot from 3 and mid range and we are already seeing problems with that.

Simmons would be an upgrade on defense over Rubio and in the open court. But he would be a downgrade from Rubio in half court sets, especially come playoff time.
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Yeah I guess so. But hmm.
I doubt this Simmons is the Simmons one would get in two-three years time.

Mind you, that argument can kind of be made for Mitchell too.
 
fishonjazz said:
The league will adjust to Simmons.
Donovan in the other hand will adjust to the league

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This is an interesting idea. Might turnout to be true given their different shooting pedigrees.

But I do think we are seeing Simmons' floor atm. But ceilings are sometimes not worth risking much for.
Mitchell to me in some way is the 'safer' bet on being able to significantly contribute to a playoff team.
 
utahjazzz said:
Simmons is going to get a max contract with philly next year. Don't think the 76ers want to trade him
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There are rumblings.

You do realize Simmons won't like playing second or third fiddle longterm - epecially if it means he is being forced off ball for long periods and not being used in the post.

Ben Golliver and others have hypothesised that Simmons' team will not let his value drop and could get out.

Ben Simmons might take his QO and then the Sixers are kind of stuffed in terms of getting back equal value.
 
Sandman822 said:
Not really. Utah is 21st in 3pt% this season at 34.6%, and while you can run some 3 shooter lineups like the Jazz were doing by just replacing Exum with Simmons, I don't really think the Jazz are capable of putting out a Simmons + 4 shooter lineup like the Bucks can with Giannis or LeBron had with the Heat and to a lesser extent the Cavs in his 2nd stint, and the Jazz also aren't able to consistently roll out that lineup while Favors is on the team as well. The slower pace of play would also hurt Simmons to a degree as he is at his absolute best in transition and he might be a top 3 player in transition behind Giannis and LeBron.

Theoretically the best kind of team around Ben Simmons in my view is a team where he plays a small ball 5 or has a C that can defend and also shoot the three (rare), and three wing shooters. I think Philly can actually do a better job of that right now than what the Jazz could as they're 15th in the league in 3pt% and have a C that's willing to take 3s and is also an elite defender, the difference/problem is that two of the guys that would be on the floor also think they should have the ball instead of just spacing the floor in Embiid and Butler. The Jazz can't offer Simmons that without other significant roster moves and a change to the style and pace they play which would drastically differ from what Snyder led teams have historically been. Not saying Snyder isn't capable of that as this year is the first year where he's been close to league average in pace compared to 30th in the Hayward years, but I don't think having to overhaul all of these things to accomodate for Simmons is worth the opportunity cost of giving up Mitchell for.
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Excellent post.

I do think the ideal guys for someone like Simmons - Simmons/Cov/Tatum/Middleton/Lopez

Mitchell on the other hand seamlessly fits into almost any lineup.
 
So is all this since the Butler trade? All I heard was positive and ‘Sixers this’ and ‘Sixers that,’ but now I hear word of Embiid not happy with his role and other issues. What gives, aside from JB?
 
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