Had to ask....

Discussion in 'Utah Jazz' started by Et tu Brute, Jan 10, 2019.

  1. Et tu Brute

    Et tu Brute Well-Known Member

    Mar 10, 2017
    Sorry guys. Wasn't really trying to blow the Simmons' trumpet here. (Feels like there is a Kendall joke here..) More interested cause Zach threw out possible trades and I just wondered if this team got better with Simmons and whether the Sixers do with Mitchell.

    I get that this wouldn't happen, and I also get that this would be a horrible trade for so many reasons for Jazz fans - especially as everyone is convinced they have found their man in the Don.
  2. Sandman822

    Sandman822 Well-Known Member

    Jul 7, 2015
    I agree with Butler and I think the Sixers would be wise to just accept that he is a sunk cost and let him go in the offseason, but Joel Embiid is quite clearly the most important piece for Philly. The dude is completely dominant inside the paint, there's a case to be made that he might be a better defender than Gobert is or at least on the same level (Gobert has better DRPM stats but Embiid's tracking numbers are superior), he's elite at drawing contact and fouling players out, and he can force defenses to respect him from deep and space the floor at times, and he's also a guy you can just dump it to and ask him to get you a bucket which is rare for Cs in the NBA (I would argue that not even AD could do that). He's also a willing passer out of the block.

    The Sixers are a +12.2 per 100 with Embiid on the floor compared to Simmons who is only a +0.9 per 100. Butler is a +2.9 per 100. The only reason why you would prioritise Simmons over Embiid is if you think Embiid is going to break down physically, otherwise you take Embiid and let him carry you as far as he can take you. Outside of Giannis there aren't many players in the league who I would trade a 24 yr old Embiid for right now without really having to think whether it's the right move or not. I'm a big fan of Embiid and I think he's a MVP/top 5 talent in the league right now, whereas with Simmons he's a borderline all star now with one clear critical flaw in his game.

    Like, I pause on a Simmons/Mitchell swap and would ultimately decide against it, but I would give Philly their choice of whoever they wanted to get Embiid before he even enters his prime for example. He's that good.
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  3. MVP

    MVP Well-Known Member

    Aug 19, 2011
    While Simmons would improve our defense offense would become absolute mess. Simmons already has issues clashing with Embiid who is kind of ok at stretching the floor. Imaging Simmons, Favors and Gobert on the floor at the same time. Disaster. Thanks but Simmons makes zero sense on our team as long as we have Gobert.
  4. MVP

    MVP Well-Known Member

    Aug 19, 2011
    Rubio and Exum shooting next to Simmons would make them look like splash bros.
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  5. MVP

    MVP Well-Known Member

    Aug 19, 2011
    It is not that he can't, he just won't.
  6. MVP

    MVP Well-Known Member

    Aug 19, 2011
    Wut? Embiid is so much better than Simmons and has much more potential. Simmons pretty much plateaued already. Like, seriously, what did he improve in his game since his rookie season?
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  7. checkbookdoc

    checkbookdoc Well-Known Member

    Feb 28, 2017
    Oh snap!!!
  8. SoUjazzfan

    SoUjazzfan Well-Known Member

    Dec 21, 2016
    I fully believe Simmons will develop a jump shot. The few I've seen him take his mechanics aren't that bad and he is young. Athletically he is a beast and with proper coaching he will round out his game. That being said, I'd still take Mitchell over him. His personality fits our culture better and I think he will always be a better teammate and positive influence with his fellow players.
  9. Handlogten's Heros

    Handlogten's Heros Well-Known Member 2019 Award Winner

    Jun 13, 2014
    Simmons is really good. He definitely deserved ROY. I wouldn’t trade DM for him and wouldn’t think twice. Easier to make a team around DM and he fits the culture and is 4 billion times more likeable.

    Simmons seems like an arrogant ******* and I want to like the guys on my team. Has the personality of a 2x4.
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  10. LoPo

    LoPo Well-Known Member

    Jun 7, 2016
    Mitchell is a budding superstar on the court. In many ways, he is already a superstar off the court. We need to win big games this year. If we can make it to the 2nd round and have a strong performance, Donovan Mitchell will be a household name.

    I don't think there is a single player in the NBA I would trade Mitchell for. Why?:

    - he wants to be here. LBJ, KD, whoever is a better player probably doesn't want to be here
    - he has marketability. People like him unlike Simmons who people just respect his game
    - he literally can do everything on the court - defense, passing, attacking, shooting, etc. He should evolve to be great at everything

    This thread needs to go...
  11. Handlogten's Heros

    Handlogten's Heros Well-Known Member 2019 Award Winner

    Jun 13, 2014
    He's going to be a helluva recruiter... everybody knows him. I'm with you here... he's our guy... let's never discuss this again.
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  12. Ron Mexico

    Ron Mexico Well-Known Member Contributor

    May 26, 2010
    Embiid should be the priority and it's not really close. He is already a star player and improving. He is by far their best player.
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  13. Hekate

    Hekate Well-Known Member

    Feb 14, 2012
    Which rookie season?
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  14. dakidmas

    dakidmas Member

    Apr 16, 2018
    Really? This logic applied to Mitchell ain't a great take.
  15. MVP

    MVP Well-Known Member

    Aug 19, 2011
    Only a blind would not see improvement in Mitchell's game.
  16. Jack Strop

    Jack Strop Well-Known Member

    Jun 23, 2017
    Cuz what we really need is another player who can't shoot.
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  17. utahjazzz

    utahjazzz Well-Known Member

    May 12, 2017
    A monster game by simmons against the knicks
    20 pts, 22 rbs, 9 asts
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  18. Ostertag>Duncan

    Ostertag>Duncan My Members Premium Contributor 2019 Award Winner

    May 26, 2010
    Damn son, all those gimme rebounds off of Knick bricks. What a MONSTER!
  19. Jazz

    Jazz Well-Known Member

    Nov 10, 2018
    Great game by Simmons. Better than Mitchell.
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  20. infection

    infection Well-Known Member Staff Member 2019 Award Winner 2018 Award Winner

    May 27, 2010
    Let’s pretend the Jazz barley hang on and beat NY by 3 and Donovan drops that line. Give me your response to his performance.
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