Had to ask....

Discussion in 'Utah Jazz' started by Et tu Brute, Jan 10, 2019.

  1. Et tu Brute

    Et tu Brute Well-Known Member

    Mar 10, 2017

    Zach Lowe mentioned a bunch of possible trades for Simmons :)
    I have wondered a little over the past year whether Simmons and Mitchell switching teams would make either team better. (He did mention a direct swap)

    Simmons + Shamet for Mitchell + Rubio (salaries wouldn't work but yet get me).

    I know 95% of you would never consider such a trade - just curious about how the two would go in different environments.

    I bet most of you think Philly wins that trade. And Mitchell's fit with Embiid and Butler is pretty sweet.

    (But it would be a secret dream of mine to see Simmons in a Jazz uni :) )

    Simmons, Shamet, Ingles, Jae, Gobert would be pretty sick (good).
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    ONE LOVE #Baby_Talk Staff Member

    Aug 17, 2010
    Haha.. did you really have to ask?!?! Really?!?

    Simmon is EASILY public enemy No. 1 around these parts!!!
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  3. Ostertag>Duncan

    Ostertag>Duncan My Members Premium Contributor

    May 26, 2010
    Just what we need, a PG who can't shoot.
  4. Et tu Brute

    Et tu Brute Well-Known Member

    Mar 10, 2017
    Yeah. Cause Rubio = Simmons smh :)
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  5. kabenac

    kabenac Well-Known Member

    May 26, 2010
    Warning: Jazzfanz trade analyzer will not compute!

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  6. infection

    infection Well-Known Member Staff Member 2018 Award Winner

    May 27, 2010
    JazzFanz loses big in that trade. Big. This place would become insufferable.
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  7. Sandman822

    Sandman822 Well-Known Member

    Jul 7, 2015
    I don't think Simmons makes sense for the Jazz from a basketball perspective since we generally play around league average or below in pace, Simmons' inability to shoot means he can't run a PnR in late game situations, and his lack of shooting would be even more magnified with the Jazz in Simmons/Favors/Gobert lineups. Mitchell for Butler is a more interesting hypothetical deal from a basketball perspective but then you've got all the extra curricular garbage with Butler that few teams want to deal with even if he's an all star talent, whereas Mitchell is fantastic for the community and the Jazz from a PR angle so you'd take him going forward over Butler any day.

    The team that trades for Simmons should be a team that is willing to stick 4 shooters around Simmons and go from there, or 3 shooters and a rim runner. The Jazz aren't really that team.
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  8. Et tu Brute

    Et tu Brute Well-Known Member

    Mar 10, 2017
    Haha.. Now that is true (imagine how many more people like me turn up).
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  9. Et tu Brute

    Et tu Brute Well-Known Member

    Mar 10, 2017

    Isn't that the exact team the Jazz would put around a guy like Simmons?
  10. Jingled

    Jingled Well-Known Member

    May 23, 2018
    Why, is Philly actually thinking about trading him?
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  11. LoPo

    LoPo Well-Known Member

    Jun 7, 2016
    I don't think I would trade Mitchell. At all. For anybody.

    He likes being here and he is a future star. Embrace him.

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  12. Ron Mexico

    Ron Mexico Well-Known Member Contributor

    May 26, 2010
    You cant run a pick and roll with Simmons and Gobert. The defenders would just give them all the space in the world. Neither of them is a threat outside the paint. Rubio is at least somewhat of a threat to shoot from 3 and mid range and we are already seeing problems with that.

    Simmons would be an upgrade on defense over Rubio and in the open court. But he would be a downgrade from Rubio in half court sets, especially come playoff time.
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  13. Sandman822

    Sandman822 Well-Known Member

    Jul 7, 2015
    Not really. Utah is 21st in 3pt% this season at 34.6%, and while you can run some 3 shooter lineups like the Jazz were doing by just replacing Exum with Simmons, I don't really think the Jazz are capable of putting out a Simmons + 4 shooter lineup like the Bucks can with Giannis or LeBron had with the Heat and to a lesser extent the Cavs in his 2nd stint, and the Jazz also aren't able to consistently roll out that lineup while Favors is on the team as well. The slower pace of play would also hurt Simmons to a degree as he is at his absolute best in transition and he might be a top 3 player in transition behind Giannis and LeBron.

    Theoretically the best kind of team around Ben Simmons in my view is a team where he plays a small ball 5 or has a C that can defend and also shoot the three (rare), and three wing shooters. I think Philly can actually do a better job of that right now than what the Jazz could as they're 15th in the league in 3pt% and have a C that's willing to take 3s and is also an elite defender, the difference/problem is that two of the guys that would be on the floor also think they should have the ball instead of just spacing the floor in Embiid and Butler. The Jazz can't offer Simmons that without other significant roster moves and a change to the style and pace they play which would drastically differ from what Snyder led teams have historically been. Not saying Snyder isn't capable of that as this year is the first year where he's been close to league average in pace compared to 30th in the Hayward years, but I don't think having to overhaul all of these things to accomodate for Simmons is worth the opportunity cost of giving up Mitchell for.
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  14. Sandman822

    Sandman822 Well-Known Member

    Jul 7, 2015
    Mitchell also has an extra year on his rookie contract compared to Simmons who is due for an extension next offseason which significantly hamstrings the Jazz' capspace a year earlier than needed
  15. Douchebag K

    Douchebag K Well-Known Member

    Nov 12, 2014
    We already have 2 of those. But that would take it to a whole new level
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  16. utahjazzz

    utahjazzz Well-Known Member

    May 12, 2017
    Simmons is going to get a max contract with philly next year. Don't think the 76ers want to trade him
  17. fishonjazz

    fishonjazz Well-Known Member Contributor 2018 Award Winner

    Nov 4, 2010
    The league will adjust to Simmons.
    Donovan in the other hand will adjust to the league

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  18. Bulletproof

    Bulletproof All-Jazzfanz First Team! Contributor 2018 Award Winner

    Feb 17, 2017
    Somebody sig this ****!
  19. Et tu Brute

    Et tu Brute Well-Known Member

    Mar 10, 2017
    The talk is beginning.
    They may not get out of the first round this year. I think it is touch and go whether they can make it work.

    Lowe has always been a bit agnostic about Simmons but he thinks it's a possibility.
  20. Et tu Brute

    Et tu Brute Well-Known Member

    Mar 10, 2017
    Yeah I guess so. But hmm.
    I doubt this Simmons is the Simmons one would get in two-three years time.

    Mind you, that argument can kind of be made for Mitchell too.

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