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What Do We Do if we get no big name tree agents?

TheStormofWar said:
Something to keep in mind. For the Jazz to free up the space to even offer one of those big time FAs, we have to not pick up Favors contract and release Ricky's cap hold. It's very likely this team will have a new look next season, one way or another.
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Don't have to release them until a FA puts ink to paper, or July 6th, when we'd have to pick up or decline the option on Favors. But that's 1 week after the moratorium ends. It's very likely the FA's we're talking to (like Harris) will have made up their minds. Even that cream puff, Hayward, made his decision by July 4th. And Dennis' fall back option, Otto Porter, made up his mind that day too, IIRC (Lindsey was returning on the plane with Snyder after meeting with Porter's agent).

I think Bricky is gone in any case...and good riddance. He's a lousy shooter and, IMO, an overrated defender. I'd rather see Donovan slide over to the 1 and Royce start at the 2. Improved defense and another 3pt shooter on the court. Whether Favors returns is probably dependent on getting Tobias. I don't see Utah giving up a ton of assets for Conley at this point. Lindsey was willing to give up a guy we no longer wanted (Ricky) and Derrick, plus a pick in the 20's. He wouldn't budge on Exum. I don't see that changing now.

Jazz, if they strike out, are better off staying over the cap so they can use the full MLE. Dropping below really handicaps them this summer and even next, unless/until they can sign or trade for a 2nd-tier FA.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
I’m not a cap expert or anything, and you’re probably right, but other teams are doing it, hell I’ve heard the 76ers want to keep all 4 of there guys beyond Simmons rookie deal, so why can’t the jazz have three max guys?
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I guess my answer to that is the cap is not expected to rise as much going forward.
 
By my count, Jazz have saved $20-$30M every year under the Lindsey regime except Hayward's last, when Dennis made his half-***, too-little-too-late effort to convince Gordon the Jazz were all of a sudden serious about winning and spending the money to do so. Gordon was spineless for sure, but at least he called Dennis' bluff and basically said, "I don't believe you."

And Dennis lathered, rinsed and repeated the last two years, when he had the chance to get a couple of decent free agents, but instead went with DLeaguers, scrubs and cheap Euros. To those who believe his "financial flexibility" ********, I call as evidence the 2yr or 1yr deals that many free agents signed as everyone was looking to the summer of 2019. Could some of those contracts even been parlayed into trades?

So I'm not going to excuse the Jazz for being tightwads again, nor commend them if they go into the luxury tax to retain Gobert, pay Mitchell, etc. They've been ripping off the fans for long enough by having a payroll in the 28th-30th range for many years and again being in the lower echelon (23rd) this past season. Pay up or GTFO out of Utah and sell to an ownership group who wants to be #1. I like Mitchell enough to follow him wherever he goes - as long as it ain't Boston. Rudy? Meh. Like his fire, but it's gotten old. Develop a shot outside of 5 ft, for god's sake. Maybe get back in the gym instead of globetrotting with your little buddy, Raul.
 
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Jack Strop said:
By my count, Jazz have saved $20-$30M every year under the Lindsey regime except Hayward's last, when Dennis made his half-***, too-little-too-late effort to convince Gordon the Jazz were all of a sudden serious about winning and spending the money to do so. Gordon was spineless for sure, but at least he called Dennis' bluff and basically said, "I don't believe you."

And Dennis lathered, rinsed and repeated the last two years, when he had the chance to get a couple of decent free agents. To those who believe his "financial flexibility" ********, I call as evidence the 2yr or 1yr deals that could have been made A lot of free agents were looking to the summer of 2019.

So I'm not going to excuse the Jazz for being tightwads again, nor commend them if they go into the luxury tax to retain Gobert, pay Mitchell, etc. They've been ripping off the fans for long enough, by having a payroll in the 28th-30th range for many years and again being in the lower echelon (23rd) this past season. Pay up or GTFO out of Utah and sell to an ownership group who wants to be #1.
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Studs don’t want to sign here. So what’s your solution? Have Lindsey sign, and maybe even overpay, anyone else?
 
Thee jazz fan said:
They’ve been in the tax in the past. They did it to resign Millsap.
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Yes, briefly. Probably would have had a player and fan revolt had Millsap been allowed to go to Portland.

It certainly was never Larry H's MO -he said a few times his #1 goal was to finish in the black every year. And Lindsey's regime has been characterized by payrolls at/near the bottom of the league. Hell, even this year he eschewed every FA who ended up with a 1yr deal and saved money by replacing Jerebko with Niang - and selling the 2nd round pick.

There's even less of a likelihood of becoming a tax payer now. The penalties are a lot stiffer. Jazz will probably have Mitchell, Gobert, draft picks and bargain basement players.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
Studs don’t want to sign here. So what’s your solution? Have Lindsey sign, and maybe even overpay, anyone else?
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We overpaid for Boozer and Okur. Those are the types of FA's we need. I never counted on getting Kwahi, Thompson or Durant.

We'll almost certainly throw the max at Tobias. Barring that, we may need to give someone $15M who might only be getting MLE offers from other teams, for example. Or do something crazy, like trading a 1st for Mirotic. Oh sorry, certainly don't want a player who was lobbying to be traded to Utah. Instead we be trippin' with Grayson.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
Portis, Bryant, Satoransky, Jabari (maybe), Ariza, and others are free agents. It won't be that simple considering that and that they also already have around 65M in Wall and Beal.
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True but Portis is the most important of those guys. They might not match on a deal, but it would mean it was bad value.

How much would you offer?

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Jack Strop said:
Probably would have had a player and fan revolt had Millsap been allowed to go to Portland.
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Lol, no, just no. That wouldn’t have happened, because later we did let him go and the org moved on just fine.
Jack Strop said:
It certainly was never Larry H's MO -he said a few times his #1 goal was to finish in the black every year. And Lindsey's regime has been characterized by payrolls at/near the bottom of the league. Hell, even this year he eschewed every FA who ended up with a 1yr deal and saved money by replacing Jerebko with Niang - and selling the 2nd round pick.

There's even less of a likelihood of becoming a tax payer now. The penalties are a lot stiffer. Jazz will probably have Mitchell, Gobert, draft picks and bargain basement players.
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After his death the org made it clear they would pay the tax if need be.

If I were as negative of the jazz as you were, I don’t know how I could continue being a fan. So, either you’re a none fan troll, or just a dumb troll.
 
infection said:
So if we totally whiff on everything, do we take Hayward back? What if it came down to Hayward or Love?
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Take Hayward back? Should we just snap our fingers and waive a big magic wand? What world are you living in? Are you aware of any players on any teams that are free agents this summer? Out of hundreds of realistic possibilities, you chose Hayward? Why would anyone think of this as an option? Do you know how NBA contracts work at all? You must be the guy that takes your girl back after your friends went D BO Friday on her. She walks in to apologize after missing for a week and you have a rose bush you ripped out of the neighbors yard waiting inside to greet her with. If the Jazz traded $29.7 million dollars of assets to acquire Gordon Hayward back, I would renounce my 32+ years of being a Jazz fan and happily never support the Jazz again. I watch Hayward video when he broke his ankle again and again every night to help me sleep better. My only regret is I wish his face split in half the way his leg did.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
Studs don’t want to sign here. So what’s your solution? Have Lindsey sign, and maybe even overpay, anyone else?
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If we build the right organization, anyone will want to sign here. Golden State is the perfect example. They were the basketball hell of the league until the drafted a trio of guys that showed the league up. Milwaukee is another example. There are moves you have to make. While other teams value picks, we give them away for nothing. Negotiation is a strong piece to having the right team.
 
Lakers_Slapper said:
I watch Hayward video when he broke his ankle again and again every night to help me sleep better. My only regret is I wish his face split in half the way his leg did.
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This is such a stupid take. It's not like Hayward pulled a Kawhi and refused to play while cashing the team check. The fact is that Hayward 100% completed his obligation to the team (HE DID NOT OWE THE JAZZ ANYTHING) and then left. He didn't handle his exit with grace and class, but the other 7 years he was good to the team.
Rejoicing in Hayward's pain is like celebrating when you find out that the girl who dumped you in high school is in an abusive marriage.
 
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