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An Alleged 1953 UFO Crash and Burial Near Garrison, Utah

Oh Lord, really?

Coming soon, threads on Bigfoot, Loch Ness Monster, astral projection, crystals, QAnon, etc.

It never ceases to amaze me that we're in the 21st Century, with educational attainment at its highest peak in the history of human kind, and there is still no shortage of people who believe in fairy tales.

People will believe literally anything.

Humans as a species are easily duped and easily manipulated.

I'm not saying there's no UFOs or no extra-terrestrials (in fact, I'd bet there are), but the evidence that they have crashed here (and the gov knows about it) or that they are flying around observing us should be pretty damned strong and objectively verifiable before I will believe it.

Bill Nye said it best, "Extra-ordinary claims require extra-ordinary evidence." Deviate from this standard, and you'll soon be joining the ranks of the cranks, duped, gullible, not very bright, etc. who believe all sorts of silly crap.

I hardly take Bill Nye "The Science Guy" as authoritative on anything. He's a propaganda tool/fool.

Imagination is wonderful. Statist attempts to discredit it or talk us out of it are despicable. That's the worst thing about "socialist" literature or science.

Most people don't seriously believe much without some kind of reason, but then we do have "Coast to Coast" the Art Bell/etc. program where there is such an overwhelming nightly assault on reason, I don't think I really have to fear that human credulity is a lost art.

Still, I think it's reasonable that most of our tales of the unknown, particularly UFO phenomena, have human explanations and would be accepted as our own doing if we as a public had access to the facts.
 
FACTS: Aliens possess incredible technologies that we can't even fathom.
If indeed there are UFOs and aliens that have come to earth, they do possess incredible technology we can't replicate.

FACTS: Alien ships and their pilots are able to navigate space, but yet, when they arrive on Earth, they occasionally crash.

Not a fact:
If aliens can navigate through space that doesn't mean they are incapable of crashing. Having a technology to travel through space doesn't mean having technology that's incapable of failing. In other words, being capable of space travel does not mean you are not ever going to crash. That is not remotely logical.

FACTS: Despite coming here for, well, forever, these alien crashes only happen way out in the boonies where nobody ever goes.

Not a fact:
1. mathematically speaking, if UFOs did crash, it's way more likely they would crash in the ocean or in the boondocks.
2. There have been alleged crashes that were said to take place in places that aren't out in the "boonies." Just because you haven't heard of them, doesn't mean people haven't reported them.

FACTS: The reason we don't have pictures is because of the vast conspiracy of governments to cover it up.

Not a fact:
Not only are there a vast amount of alleged UFO pictures, but there are also videos of them. The US Navy have released pictures and videos of UFOs as well.

Other countries that have released their UFO files include: UK, New Zealand, Russia, Denmark, Japan, Ireland, France, Brazil and Mexico.

Now you may not agree with the photos, videos and files, but they are there.

If you get a chance to watch the new UFO documentary that will show on the History Channel on May 30th, I'd recommend it.

https://www.livescience.com/65596-ufo-pentagon-history-channel.html

C'mon man. We've heard of alien visitations for hundreds of years. Yet, despite that, there's absolutely zero physical evidence of it. Nada. A quality picture? Not even one. A ship? A body? Nada. Nothing. Eyewitness testimony without physical evidence is, to be honest, very lacking. We live in a day and age where practically every person has a good handheld camera, and nothing.

There has been plenty of physical evidence, you choose to not believe it. That's fine because I whole heartily agree there needs to be more evidence to prove aliens exist.

The eyewitness testimony is something that makes me think. There are people way more credible than both you and I that say there are UFOs and aliens including US Presidents, high ranking military officials, astronauts, scientists, classified government documents, and the list goes on.

I'm sorry, but I don't find it logical or rational to jump to aliens. Now, I believe in a lot of irrational and illogical things, so I'm not judging. I'm just stating my viewpoint.

In the videos that the US Navy released, what would you say a logical explanation for this would be? Is it a hoax? Do humans have technology that can move like that?

And finally, no Archie, you aren't trying to meet anybody in the middle. You're putting forth a very obvious facade of so called acceptance that you might be wrong on some very obvious things, but you aren't looking to change your mind. Neither am I. I'm just honest about it.

I mean, if that's what you think, cool. I've brought up valid points in this thread and have never once said this is absolutely true. It's something to think about and I think it's foolish to dismiss. You've simply have dismissed what's been said or refused to answer my questions.

I'm more in the middle than you are, bub.
 
Arch, my boy, an alien craft traversing the deep space, only to crash upon reaching Earth is akin to the Utah Jazz losing a ward ball game.

Possible? Yeah. Likely? No.


I think you've missed a good amount of sarcasm in my posts, so that's probably my fault. I'm too lazy to go out and correct how you responded incorrectly. But just in fyi, there's a difference between blurry pictures and good pictures. And physical evidence would be nice.

I'm not going to answer every question you put forth. It's a waste of time. I wouldn't argue with a flat earther, because, well...at a certain point logic and reasoning has left the game. I'll leave it at that. I think you can take a reasonable conclusion of my views from that statement. I hope.
 
Arch, my boy, an alien craft traversing the deep space, only to crash upon reaching Earth is akin to the Utah Jazz losing a ward ball game.

Possible? Yeah. Likely? No.


I think you've missed a good amount of sarcasm in my posts, so that's probably my fault. I'm too lazy to go out and correct how you responded incorrectly. But just in fyi, there's a difference between blurry pictures and good pictures. And physical evidence would be nice.

I'm not going to answer every question you put forth. It's a waste of time. I wouldn't argue with a flat earther, because, well...at a certain point logic and reasoning has left the game. I'll leave it at that. I think you can take a reasonable conclusion of my views from that statement. I hope.

The guy that doesn't think UFOs are capable of crashing also wants clear pictures of the crafts as if they're not stealthy and moving 8×s faster than the speed of sound? Shocking.

I love how you continue to ignore and dismiss the Navy videos and then compare me to a flat earthers.

I wonder if you're religious. Are you?

It's 2019, bro. Your misconceptions and denial of UFOs is not only ignorant, but it's outdated.
 
The guy that doesn't think UFOs are capable of crashing also wants clear pictures of the crafts as if they're not stealthy and moving 8×s faster than the speed of sound? Shocking.

I love how you continue to ignore and dismiss the Navy videos and then compare me to a flat earthers.

I wonder if you're religious. Are you?

It's 2019, bro. Your misconceptions and denial of UFOs is not only ignorant, but it's outdated.

Arch. I am religious. And as I said earlier, I believe things that aren't logical or provable with physical evidence. I'm just honest about it.

Now, I'm not the smartest science person around, but if something was going 8x the speed of light, I don't think a human eye would be able to see it, let alone get a picture of it. @colton would probably know that one, I think.
 
RFR: I don't believe in Aliens, and you do. Neither of us is willing to change.

Arch: I'm totally willing to find middle ground!

RFR: I don't believe in Aliens.

Arch: Your denial of aliens is outdated and ignorant!

So Arch, what middle ground is there to find? Bc I don't see it. I don't believe in Aliens, you do, neither of us is changing our minds, yada yada yada.
 
RFR: I don't believe in Aliens, and you do. Neither of us is willing to change.

Arch: I'm totally willing to find middle ground!

RFR: I don't believe in Aliens.

Arch: Your denial of aliens is outdated and ignorant!

So Arch, what middle ground is there to find? Bc I don't see it. I don't believe in Aliens, you do, neither of us is changing our minds, yada yada yada.
Smdh.

You made preposterous claims.

I don't care if you don't believe in aliens. I care that you're a pompous **** about it while comparing people who believe in UFOs to flat earthers and ignoring evidence you keep asking for.

You came into the thread with a purpose to mock and dismiss. Good on you.

I leave the relious stuff alone, but it does make me wonder.
 
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