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What type of candidate can beat Trump?

str8line

str8line

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NBC declared Trump the winner of last nights debate. They said that by largely ignoring him the candidates handed him victory.

So is it better to battle Trump or stick to the issues?

What kind of candidate would be most likely to take him down?

I think it will take a rich, powerful white man who is a successful business person and isn't afraid to call Trump a lying, treasonous, rapist to his face. I just don't see anyone from the D's who fits that bill.

What about someone like Mark Cuban?
 
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str8line said:
NBC declared Trump the winner of last nights debate. They said that by largely ignoring him the candidates handed him victory.

So is it better to battle Trump or stick to the issues?

What kind of candidate would be most likely to take him down?

I think it will take a rich, powerful white man who is a successful business person and isn't afraid to call Trump a lying, treasonous, rapist to his face. I just don't see anyone from the D's who fits that bill.

What about someone like Mark Cuban?
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I'm not sure a moderate can draw the votes. Whoever it is will need another email scare in late October to win.

tbh; I'm not sure I know what a moderate is anymore.
 
You don’t want to get into a pissing contest with him, that’s where he thrives. You want the opposite, someone intelligent, calm, collected and well-spoken.
 
Jazzta said:
You don’t want to get into a pissing contest with him, that’s where he thrives. You want the opposite, someone intelligent, calm, collected and well-spoken.
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Right, someone who can calmly and collectedly call him a lying, treasonous, rapist. I agree.
 
Liberal populist. I think a good analog is Jeremy Corbyn and how he fared in the general election against Theresa May in 2017.
 
str8line said:
I think it will take a rich, powerful white man who is a successful business person and isn't afraid to call Trump a lying, treasonous, rapist to his face. I just don't see anyone from the D's who fits that bill.
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My knee jerk reaction was a democrat version of Mitt Romney, which is kind of what you described.
 
I think in the general election it would be easy to elect a moderate who expresses pride in the past and optimism for the future while acting like an adult. Don't make statements that we or our families have failed in the past/are failing now, even if it is true many people will be put off by that (looking at you Warren). Make it a story of we were awesome, we are awesome, and we can be even more awesome!

As for insulting Trump, it would be silly to get in the mud with him. Everyone that tried was just not as good at it as he was and they ended up losing credibility. Think about it, if a child calls a teacher stupid would you be impressed if they called the child ugly? Trump has been a master of baiting people to focus on him at the expense of the issues. The media will fight the dirty fight for you (because they are biased), just rise above!
 
str8line said:
NBC declared Trump the winner of last nights debate. They said that by largely ignoring him the candidates handed him victory.

So is it better to battle Trump or stick to the issues?

What kind of candidate would be most likely to take him down?

I think it will take a rich, powerful white man who is a successful business person and isn't afraid to call Trump a lying, treasonous, rapist to his face. I just don't see anyone from the D's who fits that bill.

What about someone like Mark Cuban?
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Why does it have to be a rich, powerful, white, man?

I don't get that at all. What counts as "power" in that statement? How rich do they have to be?
 
Jazzta said:
You don’t want to get into a pissing contest with him, that’s where he thrives. You want the opposite, someone intelligent, calm, collected and well-spoken.
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Nancy Pelosi has owned Trump a couple of times in pissing contests. I don't think Trump has any special pissing contest skills.
 
Someone that the Ds can vote for and be just enough center that all the lost Rs can stomach it and vote for them. There’s a very really path for a Reagan/Mondale victory for the Ds.

Let a moderate win the big seat. Then lack the Senate and House with those of a more liberal tint. Then you’re pushing bills in front of the president that are decidedly liberal in nature.

I hope immigration, healthcare, education and infrastructure are the main priorities.
 
Stoked said:
Someone that the Ds can vote for and be just enough center that all the lost Rs can stomach it and vote for them. There’s a very really path for a Reagan/Mondale victory for the Ds.

Let a moderate win the big seat. Then lack the Senate and House with those of a more liberal tint. Then you’re pushing bills in front of the president that are decidedly liberal in nature.

I hope immigration, healthcare, education and infrastructure are the main priorities.
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This.
 
Stoked said:
Someone that the Ds can vote for and be just enough center that all the lost Rs can stomach it and vote for them. There’s a very really path for a Reagan/Mondale victory for the Ds.

Let a moderate win the big seat. Then lack the Senate and House with those of a more liberal tint. Then you’re pushing bills in front of the president that are decidedly liberal in nature.

I hope immigration, healthcare, education and infrastructure are the main priorities.
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That’s literally what Clinton was.
 
None of the candidates last night came off as a strong enough personality to challenge Trump, and they seemed unprepared on foreign policy--e.g. tensions with Iran and immigration at the border. Elizabeth Warren's economic policies are so far left, they're going to prevent her from getting traction.
 
Carbon13 said:
That’s literally what Clinton was.
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That’s not even close to what she was. She was hated by the Rs long before the election. the D are ****ing idiots if that’s what’s they thought. There was no way in hell she was getting their vote.

Try some one not known to be detested.
 
Stoked said:
That’s not even close to what she was. She was hated by the Rs long before the election. the D are ****ing idiots if that’s what’s they thought. There was no way in hell she was getting their vote.

Try some one not known to be detested.
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Now you’re talking about personal brand. But if you’re talking policy - which is what you were referring to earlier until I called you out and you shifted to talking about her personality - Clinton was as moderate and warhawk as they come.
 
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