Belly button lint is better than trump.
What type of candidate can beat Trump?
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Belly button lint is better than trump.
The Thriller
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Pandering to the demands of well educated and affluent (white) republicans living in cities should not be a priority for Democrats.
For one, because we don’t need this group to win. They’re already living in urban centers that we already regularly win elections in.
Secondly, pandering to their demands is silly. These are the same people who whined nonstop about Obama and Clinton being too liberal. No matter how far to the right Democrats move, it’ll never satisfy Never Trumpers.
So if these folks want to come onboard for the ride and help us defeat Trump, cool! They’re more than welcome to join. But they shouldn’t expect to reform the Democratic platform after losing control of their own party to Trump and his uneducated racist underlings.
Now before you criticize me again, please answer my questions in the other thread that you ran away from because you had work. Otherwise, I’d prefer you stop responding to my posts. It doesn’t help the discussion if all you do is criticize and then bail when people ask you questions.
I’ve quoted the post in the other thread so you’ll receive that alert.
The Thriller
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Absolutely.
But that’s the game trump (and republicans) play. It’s merely a dog whistle. His own resorts hire undocumented immigrants. So republicans get to play this game of footsies with nativists while doing nothing to stop rich people and businesses from breaking the law.
Republicans have no desire to actually fix our immigration system. It’s just too profitable to gain votes from nativists and receive campaign bribes errr donations from those who benefit the most from cheap labor.
The Thriller
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What type of candidate can beat trump?
Anyone who doesn’t do this:
Kim has thousands of his own people locked up in internment camps in the northern part of his country. People have been locked up for decades, bred in them, abused in them, ever since his grandfather took power. Thousands of his own people know of nothing besides these concentration camps.
Kim recently tortured and essentially killed an American citizen.
Yet Trump continues to kiss his *** and give him much appreciated propaganda for his country to consume. And for what? What do we get out of this? Kim has done nothing to serve our agenda.
Anyone who doesn’t do this:
Kim has thousands of his own people locked up in internment camps in the northern part of his country. People have been locked up for decades, bred in them, abused in them, ever since his grandfather took power. Thousands of his own people know of nothing besides these concentration camps.
Kim recently tortured and essentially killed an American citizen.
Yet Trump continues to kiss his *** and give him much appreciated propaganda for his country to consume. And for what? What do we get out of this? Kim has done nothing to serve our agenda.
The Thriller
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Right?
How does this serve our foreign policy agenda? What are we getting out of this bromance? We can understand clearly what Kim gets out of it. But what are we getting out of it?
How does this look to our allies? To other countries caught in the middle (South Korea in particular)? How does this look like to other countries debating on whether to adopt American-style democracy?
Trump’s uncanny ability to ALWAYS look at the positives of dictators is just nauseating to me. And I think it really does do long-lasting harm to our foreign policy and reputation.
I want to add that the U.S. has been extraordinarily intentional in how we present our forces along the DMZ. For instance, to serve along the DMZ you must be at least 6' tall and in good physical condition. We haven't wanted the PRNK to see anything but imposing specimens when they look across that divide.
Trump walked up to the line of demarcation between North and South Korea and WAITED for Kim. Then Kim causally suggests Trump could be the first U.S. President in North Korea so Trump enters North Korean territory for the **** of it, so he could be first.
I actually found this incident to be one of the top-3 most shocking moments of Trump's Presidency.
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Didn't see if anyone explained the busing thing. Busing referred to a practice started to combat segregation where kids were bussed to other schools to increase racial diversity in school. At first it was busing minority kids to majority white schools, later moving to busing white kids to minority schools and vice versa. Biden opposed this, even had a bill in California which would have stopped using federal funds for it there, purportedly in support of openly segragationist and racist sensors, which Harris is pushing as proving he holds segregationist views. Here is an article.
I witnessed a few gaffes. Don't recall him being detested. How many people accused him or murder?
Romney was barely touched. Funny how his gaffe suggesting that large number of people were sucking on the govt’s teat blew up on him. Because he is an otherwise decent and competent dude. Trump trumps that gaffe 5 times a day but we are numb to his dumb.
60 % if the country opposed bussing. It is not like those opposed were racists (some were, of course). One of my best friends in college who was black was opposed. There was legit debate as to whether it was the best public policy. So bashing Biden over this is pretty lame.
Red
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Trump said he was "proud to step over the line". Now Tucker Carlson and Fox do their part by normalizing atrocities, ever engaged in the effort to support and normalize Trump. Carlson's of a type familiar to history....
The Thriller
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Apparently Tucker has decided that he's made enough money and so now he doesn't care about his reputation or what America stands for anymore. It's all just about being as cynical as possible so the aging cynics addicted to his TV Show keep tuning in. Sad.
Why are so many people cynical? I don't understand.
The Thriller
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Really? I understand that Trump feels it's an honor to meet with Kim. But do we? I certainly don't...
For those looking for some additional background on Kim (Read the book "Escape from Camp 14):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shin_Dong-hyuk
Shin Dong-hyuk was born Shin In Geun at the Kaechon internment camp, commonly known as Camp 14. He was born to two prisoners who were allowed to marry as a reward for good work, although "neither bride nor groom had much say in deciding whom they would marry."Shin's father, Shin Gyung Sub, told Shin that the guards gave him his mother, Jang Hye-gyung, as payment for his skill in operating a metal lathe in the camp's machine shop. Shin lived with his mother until he was 12. He rarely saw his father who lived elsewhere in the camp and was allowed to visit a few times a year. According to Shin, he saw his mother as a competitor for their insufficient food rations, and consequently had no bonds of affection with his parents or his brother, Shin He Geun.The North Korean government officials and camp guards told him he was imprisoned because his parents had committed crimes against the state, and that he had to work hard and always obey the guards; otherwise he would be punished or executed.
Shin went to primary and secondary school while in the camp. The secondary school was "little more than slave quarters from which he was sent out as a rock picker, weed puller and dam laborer." At one point, a young girl was beaten to death by the teacher for hoarding a few kernels of corn. His education did not include propaganda or even basic information about North Korea. The personality cult around Kim Il-Sung and Kim Jong-Il was also absent; for example there were no portraits of the Kim leaders on display.The camp was near a hydroelectric dam and mines in which the prisoners were forced to labour. In one of Shin's prison cells, where he was held during an interrogation, he said he had electricity and running water. Shin's mother lived in a house with multiple rooms in a "model village" in the camp, given to women who had children.
Shin experienced considerable violence in the camp,and witnessed dozens of executions every year. Part of Shin's right middle finger was cut off by his supervisor as punishment for accidentally breaking a sewing machine. He witnessed adult prisoners and children beaten every day,and many prisoners dying of starvation, illness, torture and work accidents. He learned to survive by any means, including eating rats, frogs, and insects, and reporting fellow inmates for rewards.
Mother and brother plan to escape
When Shin was 13 years old, he overheard his mother and brother planning an escape attempt. Shin had just finished eating watery corn porridge, and was trying to sleep until he overheard that He Geun, his brother had run from the cement factory. Shin's mother, Jang was preparing rice, a symbol of wealth in North Korea for the escape from Camp 14. Shin was jealous his brother was getting rice. Shin's teacher was already in the gated Bowiwon village, so Shin told the night guard of his school with another boy, as informing was something he was taught to do from an early age, and he hoped to be rewarded. However, the school night guard took full credit for discovering the plan, and rather than being rewarded, Shin was arrested and guards tortured him for four days to extract more information, believing him to be part of the plan to escape. According to Shin, the guards lit a charcoal fire under his back and forced a hook into his skin so that he could not struggle which caused many large scars still visible on his body. On 29 November 1996, after approximately seven months spent in a tiny concrete prison cell, he was released and joined by his father, who had also been imprisoned. They were driven back to the main camp wearing blindfolds and their hands tied behind their backs. Camp officials then forced Shin and his father to watch the public executions of Shin's mother and brother; he then understood he had been responsible for the executions.
Shin stated that at the time of the executions of his brother and mother, in his teenage mind he felt they "deserved" their fates for both breaking prison rules and, conversely, not including him in the escape plan.
Hundreds of thousands are living in these horrible conditions in NK... Yet, our president thinks it's an honor to meet their leader? Disgusting.
For those looking for some additional background on Kim (Read the book "Escape from Camp 14):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shin_Dong-hyuk
Shin Dong-hyuk was born Shin In Geun at the Kaechon internment camp, commonly known as Camp 14. He was born to two prisoners who were allowed to marry as a reward for good work, although "neither bride nor groom had much say in deciding whom they would marry."Shin's father, Shin Gyung Sub, told Shin that the guards gave him his mother, Jang Hye-gyung, as payment for his skill in operating a metal lathe in the camp's machine shop. Shin lived with his mother until he was 12. He rarely saw his father who lived elsewhere in the camp and was allowed to visit a few times a year. According to Shin, he saw his mother as a competitor for their insufficient food rations, and consequently had no bonds of affection with his parents or his brother, Shin He Geun.The North Korean government officials and camp guards told him he was imprisoned because his parents had committed crimes against the state, and that he had to work hard and always obey the guards; otherwise he would be punished or executed.
Shin went to primary and secondary school while in the camp. The secondary school was "little more than slave quarters from which he was sent out as a rock picker, weed puller and dam laborer." At one point, a young girl was beaten to death by the teacher for hoarding a few kernels of corn. His education did not include propaganda or even basic information about North Korea. The personality cult around Kim Il-Sung and Kim Jong-Il was also absent; for example there were no portraits of the Kim leaders on display.The camp was near a hydroelectric dam and mines in which the prisoners were forced to labour. In one of Shin's prison cells, where he was held during an interrogation, he said he had electricity and running water. Shin's mother lived in a house with multiple rooms in a "model village" in the camp, given to women who had children.
Shin experienced considerable violence in the camp,and witnessed dozens of executions every year. Part of Shin's right middle finger was cut off by his supervisor as punishment for accidentally breaking a sewing machine. He witnessed adult prisoners and children beaten every day,and many prisoners dying of starvation, illness, torture and work accidents. He learned to survive by any means, including eating rats, frogs, and insects, and reporting fellow inmates for rewards.
Mother and brother plan to escape
When Shin was 13 years old, he overheard his mother and brother planning an escape attempt. Shin had just finished eating watery corn porridge, and was trying to sleep until he overheard that He Geun, his brother had run from the cement factory. Shin's mother, Jang was preparing rice, a symbol of wealth in North Korea for the escape from Camp 14. Shin was jealous his brother was getting rice. Shin's teacher was already in the gated Bowiwon village, so Shin told the night guard of his school with another boy, as informing was something he was taught to do from an early age, and he hoped to be rewarded. However, the school night guard took full credit for discovering the plan, and rather than being rewarded, Shin was arrested and guards tortured him for four days to extract more information, believing him to be part of the plan to escape. According to Shin, the guards lit a charcoal fire under his back and forced a hook into his skin so that he could not struggle which caused many large scars still visible on his body. On 29 November 1996, after approximately seven months spent in a tiny concrete prison cell, he was released and joined by his father, who had also been imprisoned. They were driven back to the main camp wearing blindfolds and their hands tied behind their backs. Camp officials then forced Shin and his father to watch the public executions of Shin's mother and brother; he then understood he had been responsible for the executions.
Shin stated that at the time of the executions of his brother and mother, in his teenage mind he felt they "deserved" their fates for both breaking prison rules and, conversely, not including him in the escape plan.
Hundreds of thousands are living in these horrible conditions in NK... Yet, our president thinks it's an honor to meet their leader? Disgusting.
Red
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Carlson did us all a favor by helping dissuade Trump from launching strikes on Iran. But, it was to help Trump, not America. Every authoritarian needs his Carlson's and his Hannity's. Amazes me to see this history play out here. Yet, so many people are blind and only learn in retrospect. So important to remove this man from office, and it will be at the ballot box. If not, well, I don't even want to think about it. And I expect the Trump cult to tell me how Carlson is right, they will throw away any ideals their country at least once payed lip service to, if it means defending this lunatic and trolling anyone and everyone who recognizes Trump for what he is.
The Thriller
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Wonder if Otto Warmbier's parents think it's an honor to meet with Kim Jong Un? I wish a reporter would ask Dump that.
The Thriller
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Truly, it's scary to see how many parallels we're seeing right now to other past Democracies that have been overtaken by authoritarianism.
I'm not even sure the ballot box will matter in 2020. I hope it does. But with Republicans gaming the system and doing nothing to protect elections, I'm not certain if we'll have a reliable election system. Mitch refuses to protect our elections for a few reasons, and none of them are good.
Red
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That's another right in your face betrayal of ideals, and the citizenry he is supposed to defend and represent. Again and again, in word and action, yet the blind remain blind. It would be more astonishing to me perhaps, were it not so every day where he is concerned. I ask myself "what is it going to take?", and apparently there is no outrage that will lift the blinders, or extinguish the tribalism. Trump supersedes country. Amazing.
I agree, these are valid concerns, unthinkable not that long ago. Laughable to most. No more, not to some of us. I see I'm a fool if I expect his supporters to actually wake up.