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What type of candidate can beat Trump?

fishonjazz said:
What does bussing to school have to do with? Don't tons of kids from different ethnicities, backgrounds, and financial situations ride buses to school?

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No... Prior to congressional legislation and Supreme Court intervention, which tied federal funding to school desegregating, did kids from different backgrounds ride the same bus and go to the same school.

Prior to the late 1960s and early 1970s, schools still practiced segregation. Brown v Board of education, you’ve heard of that, right? It was a a Supreme Court decision back in 1954 which eliminated the “separate but equal” rationale for segregation. A girl from Kansas wanted to attend a White only school near her house. The school for blacks was on the other side of town. Her parents sued. Many other families from other states launched cases similar to Brown’s where their kids complained about having to attend poorly funded blacks only schools that were long distances away. So it was all combined into the Brown v Board of education case.

That court case made it illegal for schools to segregate. And tied federal funding to school’s to desegregate. Virginia actually shut down it’s public school system for one year as a form of protest rather than take federal dollars and desegregate. Blacks and poor whites suffered while rich white kids went to private (religious schools) for that year. But eventually, they caved and so if a black student wanted to attend a well funded white school nearby, they legally, could not be prevented from doing so.

But the issue still remained for decades on how to get black students to the schools they wanted/needed. Enter, school busing. This remained a “state’s right” issue. And I think it remains so today if I’m not mistaken

This is where Harris pummeled Biden and his record. He fought to keep this as a state’s right issue. This is what segregationists wanted as well. They knew that as long as their states could control school busing, they could maintain segregation without actually explicitly segregating their schools. How? Because they weren’t telling the black students that they couldn’t attend. They could just claim that they didn’t have the buses to provide black students with transportation. They essentially said, “awwwww shucks, we’d love to have you blacks come to our school but doggon, we don’t have the buses to do so.” So when Harris brought this up she was clearly speaking directly to blacks who have experienced this while implying that Biden was one of those “good ol boys” racists.

That’s why Harris said that by maintaining the status quo, she became “that girl.” A girl who was talented and eager to receive the high quality of a white school’s education but was prevented from getting it due to unfair and racist school busing practices.

Make sense?

Even today school busing and desegregation is a controversial issue.

Desegregation of public facilities (libraries, restaurants, bathrooms, schools) triggered white flight. Today, the country is segregated by both explicit and intentional segregation (discrimination in the workplace, drug crime laws, poorly funded schools for minorities, illegal real estate practices, etc) and de facto segregation (unintentional). An example of intentional segregation might be how city planners divided and planned their cities. They prohibited at times blacks from building and once that was cut down, intentionally discriminated against blacks from moving in.

An example of de facto segregation might be comparing sandy or draper to west valley city. Due to economics, tradition, etc You’re just not going to find many minorities on the east side of the SL Valley.

Anyway, that’s why this issue is such a sensitive one. Whites don’t like discussing these issues. A candidate like Biden needs to work through some of these issues while maintaining his support from whites in suburbia. I don’t necessarily blame him
for not doing much for blacks back in the 70s as long as he recognizes his mistakes. While a candidate like Harris feels like she can build a coalition behind fighting for minorities who have been trampled upon.

And then you have a candidate like Trump, who has no interest in resolving this issue. He doesn’t give a ****. Nor does he care to understand it.

 
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Heathme said:
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This is hyperbole to the max.

Democrats proposing affordable college education, universal health care, and desegregation legislation:

A. Isn’t radical. Most western countries subsidize college students and all have universal health care.
B. Has been done before in certain respects (GI bill, Pell Grant, Medicaid/Medicare, Trumancare, Nixoncare, Hillarycare)
C. Is popular among both democrats and republicans. Plus, they benefit most people, not just billionaires.
D. Republicans acting like Dems are the radicals... lol Seen Trump recently?

That liberal socialist Eisenhower’s platform:

The Eisenhower Administration will continue to fight for dynamic and progressive programs which, among other things, will:Stimulate improved job safety of our workers, through assistance to the States, employees and employers;

Continue and further perfect its programs of assistance to the millions of workers with special employment problems, such as older workers, handicapped workers, members of minority groups, and migratory workers;

Strengthen and improve the Federal-State Employment Service and improve the effectiveness of the unemployment insurance system;

Protect by law, the assets of employee welfare and benefit plans so that workers who are the beneficiaries can be assured of their rightful benefits;

Assure equal pay for equal work regardless of Sex;

Clarify and strengthen the eight-hour laws for the benefit of workers who are subject to federal wage standards on Federal and Federally-assisted construction, and maintain and continue the vigorous administration of the Federal prevailing minimum wage law for public supply contracts;

Extend the protection of the Federal minimum wage laws to as many more workers as is possible and practicable;

Continue to fight for the elimination of discrimination in employment because of race, creed, color, national origin, ancestry or sex;

Provide assistance to improve the economic conditions of areas faced with persistent and substantial unemployment.
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Heathme said:
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Oh cool, yet another Trumper on this board sending links to radical twitter people who retweet homophobic posts and Daily Caller/The Blaze nonsense. So original and truly hilarious.

It's called satire, genius. Satirizing the rediculous Democratic candidates.
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Oh cool. So funny. As you can see everyone here thinks it’s so funny and creative. Back onto the block list you go.

Btw, what is it with the right wing, even on this board, repeating the same ********? Ben Shapiro, Austen Fletcher, and all of these other twitter/youtubers who make crappy videos attacking the LGBT community, Kapernick, and “triggering” liberals is just such a tired and worn out schtick. Try something original guys.
 
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Archie Moses said:
Anyone else like Andrew Yang? He's pretty likable. I'm not sure about $1K a month, but lord knows I'm not not sure of it too.
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Yang got screwed on mic time and having issues in the debate. Anyone else going with the conspiracies that MSM has chosen their candidates?
 
The Thriller said:
Yeah, let’s spend a ton of time debating whether Booker’s friend at 5 years old, T-Bone, actually existed or was imaginary, the percentage of Warren’s blood is Native American, and rehash Biden’s hugs rather than plans and policies for the country. Totally what the primary and country, should be focusing on.

And if they did that I’m sure you’d give them credit rather than attacking them for debating such frivolous things and not plans and Policies.

Sigh

Frankly, I’m getting tired of republicans whining.

Sorry, but it’s the Dem primary. Shut up. You wouldnt vote for any of these candidates even if they walked on water, turned water to wine, and raised your family members from the dead. Focus on fixing your own damn party. Try purging the numerous white supremacists and child molesters and rapists like Roy Moore and Donald trump from your party.
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You sound extremist, lower your aggressive tone please.
 
RandyForRubio said:
A couple tonight have said no deportation, no detaining for any illegal immigrant who crosses the border unless they have committed a serious crime. Also advocated for healthcare for non-citizens.

Call it what you want, that's open borders.
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Who are this couple? Links?

Healthcare for non citizens is open borders?
 
The Thriller said:
First, I’m not trying to convince conservatives of anything. I know they’ll repeat the same Fox News Breitbart nonsense no matter the facts presented to them. Haven’t we seen enough of that over the past few years? Trump could claim the sky is green, not blue, and 35 percent of this country would debate you to death over it.

Second, what I say is just fact. Our country demands cheap products. You don’t get cheap products by hiring an american teenager and paying them $15 to pick grapes or build a home. Especially since they’ll be on their phones for 8 of the 12 hours they’re supposed to work.

Our country’s capitalism is dependent on immigration and low skill labor. The least we can do is provide them with health care opportunities. Especially since the alternative is using the ER, much more expensive.

Pandering to conservatives who think a 3,000 mile long Berlin Wall across our border, massive roundups of millions of productive workers (some even work on trump’s resorts), and forcing people to receive health care at the ER, will fix everything while maintaining the low costs of services and products is asking me to post stupidity.
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Immigration problem is solved overnight if you put businessmen / Americans into jail who hire illegal immigrants. Conservative leaders know this and they know that immigrants are needed to oil our economy. Without illegal immigration, US based business would lack cheap labor and their business would go under as jobs go to overseas competitors. They do not want to stop illegal immigration. And they want brown skinned bogeymen to scare voters into voting republican. Conservative voters are gullible and naive enough to not see this obvious truth. This is really not that complicated.
 
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