Derrick Favors was the best defender in the league last season...

[NUMBERICA]

*for 23 minutes a game which allowed him to be in the best shape of his life, measured by an immediately noticeably flawed metric.

 

[addictionary]

according to this:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/a-better-way-to-evaluate-nba-defense/

Maybe we will miss him more than we think.

And now I'll brace myself to get flamed by all the triggered anti-advanced-stats people here.

He always have been great, but Jazz did not have trouble covering the inside, they covered their gaps with the trades they've made this offseason. Favors is great but Jazz need different types of players to pay for right now and they got 'em. Was good for Faves too.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

He was not

 

[Sandman822]

I think any all encompassing defensive statistic that puts Favors/Mitchell Robinson/Jones Jr/Nurkic/Kleber as a top 5 list is a flawed statistic.

 

[One Brow]

I think any all encompassing defensive statistic that puts Favors/Mitchell Robinson/Jones Jr/Nurkic/Kleber as a top 5 list is a flawed statistic.

It doesn't claim to be all-encompassing, just looking at another aspect of defense (getting your opponent to miss his shot). Some might even say it's important.

 

[Hotdog]

I bet we will miss Favors more than people anticipate.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I bet we will miss Favors more than people anticipate.

I think this is pretty much the peak of missing him unless Gobert misses a ton of games.

 

[Goodluckchuck]

I think this is pretty much the peak of missing him unless Gobert misses a ton of games.

Or plays against heavier centers.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Or plays against heavier centers.

Ehh, nah. Gobert was the better defender against traditional bigs.

 

[idiot]

Listen we were better with Jae on the floor than Favors.

Not true in 2018-19. According to B-ball reference:
Favors: +5.1 plus-minus when on court / 100 possessions, +0.1 net plus-minus / 100 possessions
Crowder: +4.1, -2.8 respectively

 

[idiot]

I think this is pretty much the peak of missing him unless Gobert misses a ton of games.

Probably true, but mainly because of Ed Davis. If we got some run-of-the-mill backup center instead, it's probably a different story.

 

[Sandman822]

It doesn't claim to be all-encompassing, just looking at another aspect of defense (getting your opponent to miss his shot). Some might even say it's important.

That's literally the purpose of playing defense though lol, followed by if they're going to make a shot lets make sure it's not a high value shot (e.g. long 2s).

 

[One Brow]

That's literally the purpose of playing defense though lol, followed by if they're going to make a shot lets make sure it's not a high value shot (e.g. long 2s).

More traditional metrics factor in things like steal, rebounds, blocks, deflections. They are all part of defense.

 

[Keefe]

Not true in 2018-19. According to B-ball reference:
Favors: +5.1 plus-minus when on court / 100 possessions, +0.1 net plus-minus / 100 possessions
Crowder: +4.1, -2.8 respectively

That’s with Gobert?

 

[idiot]

Nope: you hadn't qualified it that way in the original statement.

It's true that Favors wasn't the best PF match for Gobert. (In fact, he was the worst, though the Jazz still had a solid +/- with him and Gobert together.)

 

[Keefe]

Nope: you hadn't qualified it that way in the original statement.

It's true that Favors wasn't the best PF match for Gobert. (In fact, he was the worst, though the Jazz still had a solid +/- with him and Gobert together.)

Sort of thought it was obvious but fair enough.

 

[Archie Moses]

according to this:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/a-better-way-to-evaluate-nba-defense/

Maybe we will miss him more than we think.

And now I'll brace myself to get flamed by all the triggered anti-advanced-stats people here.

I'm Happy. You're the ball.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Sort of thought it was obvious but fair enough.

I mean it wasn't obvious. It was just an incorrect statement. By your same standard we were better with Favors on the court than Gobert. Since we had a better rating with Favors and the other starters than with Gobert. Favors was better than Jae in most lineups except if they played with a non shooting PG and non shooting other big. That's pretty specific.

Either way our team is not only better but more suited to Snyder offensively.

I wish we could have this team and Favors but that wasn't possible. Also Favors health is a big concern. Much more of a concern than Exums.

 

[stitches]

That’s with Gobert?

Favors played more minutes behind Gobert than with Gobert. Crowder played more minutes with Gobert than Favors did... actually almost twice as many.

 

[Hotdog]

I mean it wasn't obvious. It was just an incorrect statement. By your same standard we were better with Favors on the court than Gobert. Since we had a better rating with Favors and the other starters than with Gobert. Favors was better than Jae in most lineups except if they played with a non shooting PG and non shooting other big. That's pretty specific.

Either way our team is not only better but more suited to Snyder offensively.

I wish we could have this team and Favors but that wasn't possible. Also Favors health is a big concern. Much more of a concern than Exums.

How is Favors health much more of a concern than Exum's?