Zombie
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I eagerly await the day when the "social programs we don't like are socialism" chickens come home to roost. The rise of Bernie Sanders and the so called squad could mean its already begun.
2020 Presidential election
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I eagerly await the day when the "social programs we don't like are socialism" chickens come home to roost. The rise of Bernie Sanders and the so called squad could mean its already begun.
The Thriller
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Exactly.
I'm guessing Nebraska in one of the nation's leaders in farm socialism. Of course, farmers make up most of his state so those handouts are called subsidies and clearly isn't a form of socialism... /s
Again, this is why the GOP needs to be crushed. After so much hand wringing, Sasse has fallen right in line with the rest of the Borg in worshipping Trump.
A poll of likely voters in the New Hampshire primary, released today, shows Biden (21%), followed by Sanders (17%), Warren (14%), Harris (8%) and Buttigieg (6%). Tulsi Gabbard took 3% in the poll. If she keeps that up, she'll qualify for the next round of debates in Sept.
Sen. Booker came in at just 1%, and Beto O'Rourke got brick (0%). New Hampshire doesn't appear to be Cory Booker's cup of tea.
Sanders, in particular, is gaining ground on Biden in New Hampshire after last week's debates.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/456317-sanders-warren-gain-on-biden-in-new-hampshire
Sen. Booker came in at just 1%, and Beto O'Rourke got brick (0%). New Hampshire doesn't appear to be Cory Booker's cup of tea.
Sanders, in particular, is gaining ground on Biden in New Hampshire after last week's debates.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/456317-sanders-warren-gain-on-biden-in-new-hampshire
I don't know how Huntsman managed to stay in that position as long as he did. Dangerous job, especially with a president he doesn't totally support.
I'd rather he ran for President than Governor as well. I like him and think he would be a good president, but I really love Spencer Cox for Governor.
I still don't think Sanders or Warren would beat Trump in a general election. Biden, even though he's shaky and unoriginal, is probably the Dems' most electable candidate.
Keep an eye on the Senator from Minnesota though. She might be the party's sleeper cell.
It's an important job. I think he really took it out of being public service minded.
The Thriller
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When Huntsman was governor before, he governed as a very conservative governor with some disastrous effects:
http://www.utahfoundation.org/reports/getting-less-two-decades-k-12-education-revenue-spending/
It is also notable that shortly after Huntsman left office the legislature pass pension reform which has led to historic shortages in both education and law enforcement.
Sure yeah, I guess he helped cut regulations in Utah's (still) draconian alcohol policy. But his main achievements are still taking a toll on middle-class taxpayers and public employees.
I'd give Cox a try as we've already seen what Huntsman will do. I think he'll put up more resistance to the far right in Utah and won't just act as a rubber stamp for the radicals in the legislature.
- Signed into law public vouchers which would have funneled millions of public dollars to charters and private (religious) schools. This has been done in other states, like Florida, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Louisiana, with disastrous effects. This law was overturned by a citizens referendum... In the aftermath, the legislature raised the requirements, thus making it more difficult for citizens to do this.
- Reformed the income tax in Utah, with again, disastrous results. It created essentially a flat tax. Which the state has had to make up for with increases in sales and property taxes nearly every year. It has significantly hurt education funding in the state. So when people bitch about their taxes going up everywhere, be sure to thank John for giving the super rich a tax cut while raising your taxes.
http://www.utahfoundation.org/reports/getting-less-two-decades-k-12-education-revenue-spending/
It is also notable that shortly after Huntsman left office the legislature pass pension reform which has led to historic shortages in both education and law enforcement.
Sure yeah, I guess he helped cut regulations in Utah's (still) draconian alcohol policy. But his main achievements are still taking a toll on middle-class taxpayers and public employees.
I'd give Cox a try as we've already seen what Huntsman will do. I think he'll put up more resistance to the far right in Utah and won't just act as a rubber stamp for the radicals in the legislature.
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Zombie
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I think Warren or Sanders could as well. Biden polls a bit better head to head VS Trump than either of them, but they still come out on top of him. Hillary lost by the narrowest of margins and was a historically unpopular candidate with far more baggage than either Warren or Sanders. Sanders in particular would not face similar issues in the Midwest as Hillary did.
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The Thriller
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It’s pretty funny to read conservatives make predictions about the 2020 election as if this is 1984’s or 1972’s presidential election or FDR’s second re-election.
The democrats have a number of candidates who could win. Trump isn’t popular guys. If he wins, he most likely will have barely won the EC and lost the popular vote by millions. And if the stock market continues to tank... or if democrats receive election meddling help from China, we might be looking at a blowout the other way.
In fact, I see any of the top 5 candidates beating trump. Having said that, I think there’s a clear 1-3: Biden, Warren, and Harris.
Trump sucks. Literally, only the dumbest and poorest demographic likes him.
The democrats have a number of candidates who could win. Trump isn’t popular guys. If he wins, he most likely will have barely won the EC and lost the popular vote by millions. And if the stock market continues to tank... or if democrats receive election meddling help from China, we might be looking at a blowout the other way.
In fact, I see any of the top 5 candidates beating trump. Having said that, I think there’s a clear 1-3: Biden, Warren, and Harris.
Trump sucks. Literally, only the dumbest and poorest demographic likes him.
The Thriller
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This is pretty hilarious. And to see the righties get all
Upset over this and cry about it is priceless. Why shouldn’t we know about this public information?
Upset over this and cry about it is priceless. Why shouldn’t we know about this public information?
Zombie
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The Thriller
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The funny thing is, Trumpers whining about this week to be admitting that there’s reason to be ashamed. Which is an interesting way of reacting to this. The public with knowledge of these donors could reward or punish these businesses depending on what the free market decides is best with the public information they’ve seen from Castro’s tweet. It’s interesting that Trumpers already assume that this is going to be bad for these businesses, almost as if they know that they should be ashamed for supporting trump.
Private citizens who wish their names to be off any tweets should probably think twice before making political donations. Political “Free speech” is also a matter of public record. Citizens deserve to know who fellow citizens are donating politically to.
Lastly, it’s hilarious to watch Maggie Haberman try and spin this. She helped The NY Times write a huge report on who donated to the Clinton Foundation. Apparently trump supporters believe that their donors are entitled to remain in the shadows, unlike the Democrats.
The Thriller
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Really solid post. I was unaware of this quote. That’s an awesome find. Did you see it on twitter somewhere or what? That’s awesome.
The Thriller
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You know what should be off limits? A presidential candidate releasing a senator’s cellphone number. Now that’s inappropriate. But I don’t recall any Trumpers running to Lindsay Graham’s defense, do you?
Zombie
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Yeah I did actually lol. It's from his opinion on an 8-1 Supreme Court ruling against opponents of gay marriage who wished to keep their donations secret.