I don't think so. It might be a cultural thing, coming from a place where nobody says stuff without meaning it as threat. But it is a crude insult to talk about his kid that way, that no decent human will really think is OK.
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I don't think so. It might be a cultural thing, coming from a place where nobody says stuff without meaning it as threat. But it is a crude insult to talk about his kid that way, that no decent human will really think is OK.
Nobody's changed anyone else's opinions yet.
I agree with idtt, the shiffshow is counterproductive.
All the bureaucratic notions of national interest reduce simply to their own personal interests. they set the table their way, and trump kicked it over. Most people don't see it the way the professional governance class does.
Until Biden and Hillary go to jail, and Obama, Trump is just sweeping up after the elitist wreckage of our country. People see it as a sacking of Trump, and a coverup for the real crooks.
Zombie
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Did you see Nunes face?
He knows it's over. He knows he's sunk. He'll still play his part, try to defend his party. We don't need to change his mind... it doesn't matter to him he's wrong.
There's no salvaging this. Mitigation is the only option. It's over. Don't go down with the ship.
JazzyFresh
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He admits Schifty and CNN lied and he admits every... single.. thing... Is a and I quote "a presumption".
"I never said the President should be impeached". That's now 5 witnesses guys and gals who said the President did nothing impeachable.
Have a good day and keep living in your fairy tales! This is over.
"I never said the President should be impeached". That's now 5 witnesses guys and gals who said the President did nothing impeachable.
Have a good day and keep living in your fairy tales! This is over.
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Trump has already been offered and invited to the hearings. But there's no way his lawyers will allow him to. He'd be eaten alive
Hotdog
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Wow. Your reality has some glitches bro. It weird how your programming is so jacked up.
This is exactly how its going to go down
1. This circus will prove nothing.
2. House will vote to impeach.
3. Senate won't.
4 Trump will get reelected.
5. Wash rinse repeat more conspiracy stories and smear campaigns against Trump. Dems Try to impeach again.
Im not sure how you get that "he knows it over" out of all that.
Trump is basically farting on your face and there is nothing you can do about it. Sad.
Hotdog
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There is absolutely no point in Trump cooperating. We all know there is zero benefit to cooperate. This is an attempted coup. Its war right now. The Democrats have no honor, so they should be showed no respect.
You're kidding, right? Most of the founders were just as wealthy, or more so, when they died as they were when the Constitution was written. Part of the problem with the Articles of Confederation is that the system was not stable enough for them to assure their continued wealth.
They set up a system that entrenched slavery for the next 70 years. You don't think slavery comes from a hoax philosophy?
I have yet to see a religion that interferes with abusing masses of people.
I see them salvaging the impeachment when the Senate refuses to convict. As far as 2020, I don't know.
JazzyFresh
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lol if a picture could explain what an embarrassment this has become. A snooze fest.
But if they want to refute the quid pro quo, all they have to do is tell the truth. That Rudy was not Trump's fixer, Trump did not tell Rudy to enact the funding for investigation activity, and the Rudy never told anyone that Trump wanted Ukraine to investigate Biden/ Burisma.
If that is the truth, why would they not testify to it under oath? We could get past all this secondhand information. Just testify, guys. What could they possibly be afraid of if the truth is on their side?
When trump testifies it will become more exciting. All these bureaucrats with the boring truth telling is kinda bland.
They ought to bring in the director for The Apprentice to make this more exciting. Because that is what we are going for, entertainment, right?
Red
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This is the 4th or 5th time you've posted that twitter clip, as if it actually proved anything at all.
So, let's look at this.
Morrison was in on the 7/25 phone call, and he said he did not believe Trump did anything illegal, although he did feel the memo of the call should not be seen by many. But, as to quid pro quo:
https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEKt8BT-9P-S4qgcqW8a1KxIqFwgEKg8IACoHCAowlOzSATCaiDUwg7tz?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US:en
"Under questioning from Democrats, Tim Morrison, the former top National Security Council official for Russia and European affairs, was asked to recall a September 1 conversation between US Ambassador to the EU Gordon Sondland and Ukraine official Andriy Yermak. That discussion has become central to the question of whether US military assistance to Kyiv was conditioned upon Ukraine opening investigations into former Vice President Joe Biden’s family and other Democrats.
According to Morrison, it clearly was.
“What did Ambassador Sondland tell you that he told Mr. Yermak?” Democratic counsel Daniel Goldman asked Morrison. Morrison replied, “That the Ukrainians would have to have the prosecutor general make a statement with respect to the investigations as a condition of having the aid lifted.”
In other words, there was a quid pro quo.
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As for Volker, he never said there was no quid pro quo. He said he did not know of any, and that Trump never told him there was. But, look closely at Volker's revised testimony this week:
https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/20/politics/gordon-sondland-hearing-takeaways/index.html
As for what Sondland had to say about Volker, I'll quote the relevant sections from this Post article, since you can't read the Post:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/11/20/takeaways-gordon-sondlands-opening-statement/
"... [Trump attorney Rudolph W.] Giuliani’s requests were a quid pro quo for arranging a White House visit for President Zelensky,” he said. “Mr. Giuliani demanded that Ukraine make a public statement announcing investigations of the 2016 election/DNC server and Burisma. Mr. Giuliani was expressing the desires of the president of the United States, and we knew that these investigations were important to the president.”
At another point, Sondland said explicitly that special envoy to Ukraine Kurt Volker told him this was the case. Rep. Jim Himes (D-Conn.) asked, “So, Mr. Volker told you that [Giuliani] was expressing the desires of the president of the United States?” Sondland responded, “Correct.”.....
.....“Our conclusion, and the conclusion of the three of us, was that if we did not talk to Rudy, nothing would move forward on Ukraine,” he said.
That doesn’t exactly make this sound optional. And it again connects this whole effort to Trump — in a way Volker declined to.
Sondland also, notably, disagreed with Volker’s testimony that he wasn’t aware of quid pro quos.
“I strongly disagree with that portion of his testimony,” Sondland said. “It was absolutely a requirement.”
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So, you can post that Twitter comment dozens of more times, if you think it helps your case, but the links I've left for you seriously erode your conclusions....
JazzyFresh
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JazzyFresh
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JazzyFresh
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I mean you just copy and pasted little pieces of what Sonland said while I provided the entire part where he admits everything he's said is his assumption not fact. Its extremely misleading Red.
JazzyFresh
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"I've never said I think he should be impeached"
-Sonland
That's your star witness.
-Sonland
That's your star witness.