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Honestly, I hope the Democrats pump the brakes on impeachment. There’s still far too many leads to the president’s crimes to follow. Now it appears Nunes was involved too? Come on.

I’d like to see Bolton testify. I’d like to see Mulvaney, Pompeo, and Guiliani subpoenaed. Tell them they have until x date to testify or you’re tacking obstruction of justice on impeachment. If Parnas Desires to testify, I'd like to see him given the opportunity to do so. Even better if he has receipts. And this Nunes story needs to be given appropriate attention. It’s absolutely unacceptable to me that Nunes might’ve been engaged in this criminal scheme. The precedent set by not following up on this would be catastrophic to our democracy. Is there anyone in the GOP not criming right now? My goodness.

What’s to lose? Especially if the Senate is going to merely rush through it and not take it seriously at all. Might as well drag it out in the House and get everyone on record.
 
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Again, Democrats, pump the brakes! Slow down. Why rush? Even if it takes another month or two. There’s just far too much here to not investigate. History demands we flush this out.

 
So quick question...

If the house impeaches a President but the Senate dose not convict, I assume the house can begin a new impeachment investigation of a new charge?
 
The Thriller said:
Again, Democrats, pump the brakes! Slow down. Why rush? Even if it takes another month or two. There’s just far too much here to not investigate. History demands we flush this out.

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I honestly think the best outcome, short of Trump having a stroke or deadly heart attack (fingers crossed), is that the house impeaches, the senate does not convict and Trump loses the election in convincing fashion.
 
Catchall said:
It boils down to the Dems being pissed that Trump and the Justice Department are investigating corruption in Ukraine around 2016. Biden was part of that, along with several others in the Obama State Dept. Some questions surrounding the Bidens are legitimate as part of that inquiry.
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Well, but let's consider the origins of the "Ukraine did it" defense being used by Trump, and supporters like Nunes:

https://themoscowproject.org/dispat...lleged-russian-military-intelligence-officer/

"During the impeachment proceedings, congressional Republicans—especially ranking member Devin Nunes—have repeatedly advanced the conspiracy that the real collusion in 2016 was between the Democrats and Ukraine. This theory matches a conspiracy that President Donald Trump appeared to be referencing during his now-infamous call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky on July 25.

But Trump didn’t come up with this theory on his own: Recently revealed Mueller investigation documents indicate that it is part of a Russian disinformation campaign that came directly from an alleged Russian intelligence officer".

(You can read the details on the origins of this theory at the above link. The NY Times published a major story on this fact Friday night as well. See here: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/22/us/politics/ukraine-russia-interference.html)

Can you understand why the Russians might want to blame Ukraine for the 2016 election interference? Ukraine is at war with Russia. Putin wishes to enhance instability and chaos in the political life of the United States. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend". How could Putin not want to turn the US against Ukraine? And, sadly, he could count on Trump to simply lap up a conspiracy theory. Republicans and Trump embracing the "Ukraine did it" theory would be music to Putin's ears. Can you understand this?

Trump, Nunes, and Lindsey Graham have all adopted a false narrative invented as a ploy by the Russians. Whatever else one calls such a decision on their part, it would be very hard for me to call it "pro-American". If the entire Republican Party is going to adopt this line, siding with our chief geopolitical rival of the past 70 years, it's very hard for me to understand how history will judge that favorably.

silesian said:
His supporters will be forever tainted as anti Americans
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Catchall said:
This is one of the most ignorant, ill-informed posts I've ever read on this web site.
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But there is likely some truth to this predicted judgement of history that @silesian suggests. If one is deliberately and ignorantly embracing the position invented by and promoted by the Russian intelligence services, a position adopted for the express purpose of turning American against American, well, whether one is conscious of it or not, one is embracing the position promoted by our number 1 geopolitical adversary. That's pretty hard to interpret as very patriotic, is'nt it?

Fiona Hill, who likely, as one of our top Russian experts, knows more about these matters then you, or me, or Giuliani, or Nunes, (whom @The Thriller has now pointed out was in Europe himself, digging into this "Ukraine did it" nonsense) pointed this out in her testimony:



The Republicans are adopting Putin's position. Hardly very patriotic at all. Yesterday, Putin stated, to paraphrase him "Thank God they are not blaming Russia for interference anymore, now they are blaming Ukraine". That is not where we want to be. And it should not be very hard to understand how this all plays into Putin's hands, as he works on more disruption of our electorate in 2020.
 
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The Thriller said:
Again, Democrats, pump the brakes! Slow down. Why rush? Even if it takes another month or two. There’s just far too much here to not investigate. History demands we flush this out.

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smear campaigns against ambassadors are unethical but not impeachable. Can be pursued with reporting and other investigations.
 
Everyone needs to watch this from Red:

Fiona Hill, who likely, as one of our top Russian experts, knows more about these matters then you, or me, or Giuliani, or Nunes, (whom @The Thriller has now pointed out was in Europe himself, digging into this "Ukraine did it" nonsense) pointed this out in her testimony:



The Republicans are adopting Putin's position. Hardly very patriotic at all. Yesterday, Putin stated, to paraphrase him "Thank God they are not blaming Russia for interference anymore, now they are blaming Ukraine". That is not where we want to be. And it should not be very hard to understand how this all plays into Putin's hands, as he works on more disruption of our electorate in 2020.


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Putin owns trump. He is playing chess and outsmarts trump with strategy while trump lives in a world of tiddly winks and petty politics

Putin is winning the battle to weaken the USA.

trump makes us weak.

voting for trump makes us weak

y’all need to see past trump’s insecure bravado and open your eyes to reality.
 
I just hope you guys realize that once your party votes for impeachment the Senate will have the ball in their court. It'll be a nice change to not have Schifty badgering, lying because he will be under Oath. Same as Hunter, and a good chance your whistleblower. I hope you guys realize that Trump has actually benefitted and is rising in approval rating and other polls. I hope you guys realize that those in favor of impeachment have declined pretty drastically. I hope you guys realize you just dug your own grave.

Just something to think about today. Have a wonderful Saturday and go Utes and go Jazz!!!
 
JazzyFresh said:
I just hope you guys realize that once your party votes for impeachment the Senate will have the ball in their court. It'll be a nice change to not have Schifty badgering, lying because he will be under Oath. Same as Hunter, and a good chance your whistleblower. I hope you guys realize that Trump has actually benefitted and is rising in approval rating and other polls. I hope you guys realize that those in favor of impeachment have declined pretty drastically. I hope you guys realize you just dug your own grave.

Just something to think about today. Have a wonderful Saturday and go Utes and go Jazz!!!
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typical, it is about the politics and not about right and wrong.

and sure, trump is now wildly popular because of impeachment.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

more whining about process.....

and duh, senate republicans won’t grow a pair. But it is good that you are connected to reality on at least this one fact.
 
silesian said:
typical, it is about the politics and not about right and wrong.

and sure, trump is now wildly popular because of impeachment.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

more whining about process.....

and duh, senate republicans won’t grow a pair. But it is good that you are connected to reality on at least this one fact.
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Its called checks and balances dude. Something you are obviously against. I'm honestly not sure what your angry tirade was about but that was my point. The house had it's chance. Now it's the Senates. Checks...and...Balances

Stew on that. I'm out.
 
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